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<blockquote data-quote="CalrinAlshaw" data-source="post: 1525110" data-attributes="member: 14282">The only thing I can think of to support your friends analysis is that the -20 comes from &quot;You are almost observed.&quot; situation that the hide in plain sight ability specifically states you can hide while you are being directly looked at. (observed)However, if your going to stack the -20 penalty for sniping I would say you should give them a -20 penalty any time they are being observed. Considering the fact that the -20 for sniping COMES from the fact that someone has a good idea from which way the arrow came (saw it fly by or it hit them) and is looking your direction. All the sniping does is make you &quot;nearly observed&quot; thus the -20 penalty. Since the Hide In Plain Sight specifically states you can hide within 10 feet of shadow while being observed (looked at directly), and no mention of penalty is written into the description of that ability, I would say that your friend is correct.Of course, on the DM's advocate side, I'd say for balance purposes he gets stuck with the -20 penalty treating the HiPS ability almost like the invisibility spell, after attacking, for 1 round afterward, you gain all benefits except the ability to hide while being observed.Calrin Alshaw</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CalrinAlshaw, post: 1525110, member: 14282"] The only thing I can think of to support your friends analysis is that the -20 comes from "You are almost observed." situation that the hide in plain sight ability specifically states you can hide while you are being directly looked at. (observed) However, if your going to stack the -20 penalty for sniping I would say you should give them a -20 penalty any time they are being observed. Considering the fact that the -20 for sniping COMES from the fact that someone has a good idea from which way the arrow came (saw it fly by or it hit them) and is looking your direction. All the sniping does is make you "nearly observed" thus the -20 penalty. Since the Hide In Plain Sight specifically states you can hide within 10 feet of shadow while being observed (looked at directly), and no mention of penalty is written into the description of that ability, I would say that your friend is correct. Of course, on the DM's advocate side, I'd say for balance purposes he gets stuck with the -20 penalty treating the HiPS ability almost like the invisibility spell, after attacking, for 1 round afterward, you gain all benefits except the ability to hide while being observed. Calrin Alshaw [/QUOTE]

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