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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nathreet" data-source="post: 4381005" data-attributes="member: 73449">I should point out a common misconception about hide in plain sight. Even with a +1000 hide modifier, it still does not grant invisibility. You must always have partial cover or concealment to hide per the hide rules. i.e., you must always hide in or behind something. Normally you may not move to a hiding spot while being observed. So if I jump behind a bush in the middle of a battle, the monsters automatically spot me no matter how high my hide roll is. But with Hide in Plain Sight, you may jump behind a bush in the middle of a battle (or while otherwise being observed) and hide. Or you may jump into an area of shadowy illumination. Note that shadowy illumination also grants concealment. And that just about any substantial obstacle grants cover. To make things even clearer, take a look at one of the most common sources of HiPS: the shadow dancer. A shadow dancer may hide when within 10' of a shadow, even while being observed. This is ambiguous so far: maybe you hide right where you stand, maybe you need to move into the shadow first. But check out what it says next: "You may not hide in your own shadow." It's beautifully worded to prevent confusion in such a way that the reason is self explanatory. How can you duck into your own shadow? And now the implication is that the shadowdancer moves into a shadow. Furthermore, the hide rules say that hiding typically takes no action because it is typically done as part of a move. So I hope it's now clear that a shadow dancer can move into a shadow within 10 feet to hide, even while being observed. And that other sources of HiPS do likewise. And I hope that, even without hide in plain site, people who play rogues will start hiding behind things. Or at least in a dimly lit area. Also note that in total cover/concealment you are hidden no matter what you roll for your hide check. i.e., you don't have to be stealthy to hide dead center of the opposite side of a large brick wall. Peeking around the corner (partial cover), is another matter. The rules for hiding in both partial and total cover/concealment should be common sense, but I think the d&d community has strayed here.</blockquote>

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