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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4383256" data-attributes="member: 35909">Not true, it takes a while to blow that kind of money on one item, I think most people would want the darkvision right away.&nbsp; Requiring a light source to scout in the dark is pretty self-defeating.And yet, if you were looking to balance the item, I bet anyone looking at the collar wouldn't cry for a second if you were to remove the resistance benefit.&nbsp; Sure, it's nice to have.&nbsp; But it's packaged in, most stealthy types really won't care, especially given the likelihood of such characters to have high ref and touch AC plus evasion anyway.&nbsp; On a side note, why is that part of the Dark template?&nbsp; Seems kind of random to me.Ok, if you were trying to prove a point that you should NEVER use the table to figure out item value, well done.&nbsp; I get it.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />But it came out closer in time to MIC than the DMG, so I think it's fair to go by that book's assessment of what an item's worth more than the DMG.&nbsp; And really, part of the problem is the 3.5 DMG overreacted to wealth issues.&nbsp; For example, in 3.0,&nbsp; the goggles of darkvision were 6000 gp.&nbsp; They doubled this in the update.&nbsp; So I trust MIC more for comparison.&nbsp; And I think while the minutes/day version may be a little underpriced, it's the constant use version that's an absolute bargain.&nbsp; IT should probably be closer to 40,000 roughly, as I said before.That was a typo, I meant 3000.&nbsp; And yeah, it's a great deal for +1 LA, to the point of very broken.&nbsp; I've come to decide I wouldn't allow it for templates*, since you can stick that onto anything, but I don't think it's so bad for races.&nbsp; I don't know about you, but LA buyoff games are the only ones I even see LA races, and even in those games, half or more of the players go human.&nbsp; I'm willing to offer a sweet deal in the name of diversity.&nbsp; This is going ver off-topic, though.*But my point was the collar would be much less monstrous in a group that does allow LA buyoff for templates, so that point stands.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4383256, member: 35909"] Not true, it takes a while to blow that kind of money on one item, I think most people would want the darkvision right away. Requiring a light source to scout in the dark is pretty self-defeating. And yet, if you were looking to balance the item, I bet anyone looking at the collar wouldn't cry for a second if you were to remove the resistance benefit. Sure, it's nice to have. But it's packaged in, most stealthy types really won't care, especially given the likelihood of such characters to have high ref and touch AC plus evasion anyway. On a side note, why is that part of the Dark template? Seems kind of random to me. Ok, if you were trying to prove a point that you should NEVER use the table to figure out item value, well done. I get it. :P But it came out closer in time to MIC than the DMG, so I think it's fair to go by that book's assessment of what an item's worth more than the DMG. And really, part of the problem is the 3.5 DMG overreacted to wealth issues. For example, in 3.0, the goggles of darkvision were 6000 gp. They doubled this in the update. So I trust MIC more for comparison. And I think while the minutes/day version may be a little underpriced, it's the constant use version that's an absolute bargain. IT should probably be closer to 40,000 roughly, as I said before. That was a typo, I meant 3000. And yeah, it's a great deal for +1 LA, to the point of very broken. I've come to decide I wouldn't allow it for templates*, since you can stick that onto anything, but I don't think it's so bad for races. I don't know about you, but LA buyoff games are the only ones I even see LA races, and even in those games, half or more of the players go human. I'm willing to offer a sweet deal in the name of diversity. This is going ver off-topic, though. *But my point was the collar would be much less monstrous in a group that does allow LA buyoff for templates, so that point stands. [/QUOTE]

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