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<blockquote data-quote="Ambrus" data-source="post: 4388988" data-attributes="member: 17691">Wow. There's been lots of interesting discussion in this thread.Thanks for the heads up about the Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis Jhaelen. It's certainly a sexy magic item, though I agree it's likely a bit underpriced for everything it provides.I have to admit, I had to take a closer look at the Hide in Plain Sight ability after reading some of the posts in this thread. I'm guilty of being one of those people who'd misunderstood how it's supposed to work for a long time. It certainly seems much less useful than I originally thought. Seems it'd be simpler to have a character duck around a corner to gain total cover and then backtrack while remaining hidden to circumvent the problem of being initially observed by an opponent.It also led me to carefully reread the Hide skill, Concealment and Cover rules to get a solid handle on how it's all supposed to work. I was surprised that I was unable to find any mention in either the PH or DMG stating what benefit, if any, being hidden provides when attacking a foe. I mean, I know that it denies an opponent its Dex bonus to AC and provides a further +2 to attack, just like being invisible, but I don't know how I know that; I couldn't find any such rule anywhere. Can someone point me to it for the sake of my own sanity?<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush&nbsp; &nbsp; :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ambrus, post: 4388988, member: 17691"] Wow. There's been lots of interesting discussion in this thread. Thanks for the heads up about the Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis Jhaelen. It's certainly a sexy magic item, though I agree it's likely a bit underpriced for everything it provides. I have to admit, I had to take a closer look at the Hide in Plain Sight ability after reading some of the posts in this thread. I'm guilty of being one of those people who'd misunderstood how it's supposed to work for a long time. It certainly seems much less useful than I originally thought. Seems it'd be simpler to have a character duck around a corner to gain total cover and then backtrack while remaining hidden to circumvent the problem of being initially observed by an opponent. It also led me to carefully reread the Hide skill, Concealment and Cover rules to get a solid handle on how it's all supposed to work. I was surprised that I was unable to find any mention in either the PH or DMG stating what benefit, if any, being hidden provides when attacking a foe. I mean, I [I]know[/I] that it denies an opponent its Dex bonus to AC and provides a further +2 to attack, just like being invisible, but I don't know [I]how[/I] I know that; I couldn't find any such rule anywhere. Can someone point me to it for the sake of my own sanity?:blush: [/QUOTE]

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