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<blockquote data-quote="Gaiden" data-source="post: 109198" data-attributes="member: 103">I was just thinking about tactics thieves used in 2e and was trying to figure out how to construct a character using fade tactics - hit and hide - rinse and repeat.If you have a character who has at least one level in shadow dancer and the expert tactician feat and that character wins initiative, he is practically invincible.I say this because he can hide every round and consequently his opponent will never see him to attack him.&nbsp; Consider this:No surpriseSD wins initiative attacks with expert tactician, takes double move at half speed for hiding to hide in plain sight while moving 30 ' away from opponent.&nbsp; Opponent does not know where SD is and has to guess - within a radius of 30'.&nbsp; Next round SD continues to hide in plain sight and moves next opponent with double move.Opponent still does not know where SD is.&nbsp; SD then attacks - opponent caught flat footed - again - gets exp tac - does double move - rinse and repeat.Limitations are that there has to be shadows within 10' of the shadow dancer for him to do this.Seems awfully powerful.&nbsp; Opponent is going to have to blind sight, scent, tremorsense, true seeing, spells like glitterdust or faerie fire, or a high spot for this not to work.Combining some OA prestige class abilities giving up to +30 to hide makes this combat tactic crazy powerful.Am I missing something or is this just a really cool tactic waiting to be abused with SA, iajutsu, and deep impact?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gaiden, post: 109198, member: 103"] I was just thinking about tactics thieves used in 2e and was trying to figure out how to construct a character using fade tactics - hit and hide - rinse and repeat. If you have a character who has at least one level in shadow dancer and the expert tactician feat and that character wins initiative, he is practically invincible. I say this because he can hide every round and consequently his opponent will never see him to attack him. Consider this: No surprise SD wins initiative attacks with expert tactician, takes double move at half speed for hiding to hide in plain sight while moving 30 ' away from opponent. Opponent does not know where SD is and has to guess - within a radius of 30'. Next round SD continues to hide in plain sight and moves next opponent with double move. Opponent still does not know where SD is. SD then attacks - opponent caught flat footed - again - gets exp tac - does double move - rinse and repeat. Limitations are that there has to be shadows within 10' of the shadow dancer for him to do this. Seems awfully powerful. Opponent is going to have to blind sight, scent, tremorsense, true seeing, spells like glitterdust or faerie fire, or a high spot for this not to work. Combining some OA prestige class abilities giving up to +30 to hide makes this combat tactic crazy powerful. Am I missing something or is this just a really cool tactic waiting to be abused with SA, iajutsu, and deep impact? [/QUOTE]

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