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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dvvega" data-source="post: 110945" data-attributes="member: 524">Gaiden: Hide is not a free action.In the PHB it states that most skills require a standard action, move-equivalent action, or full round actions. Some take no time at all since they're part of movement (like Jump and Tumble).Now if you read Hide, carefully, you will note it speaks about Hiding, and that the character MAY move up to half movement rate at no penalty. Nowhere does it say that Hiding takes no time at all (A Free Action). The implication is that Hiding is at the least move-equivalent, because you do it while moving (even 0 feet).IF Hide were a Free Action, then using the Free Action rules, one could Hide while Attacking, Hide while casting a spell, Hide while doing anything else since it is a Free Action.Obviously my above examples are abusive but that's to make the point.So either Hide is Standard or Move-Equivalent.If you read Song and Silence, pg 36, TailingIt goes on about the mechanics of using Hide to tail someone, showing how you must use move equivalent actions to follow them while still Hiding.Hide In Plain Sight allows you to perform Hide even under direct observation. So you can state that Hide in Plain Sight is a supernatural ability that allows you to attempt a Hide under direct observation (DC -20 note the ability does not lower penalties).Thus you could argue for Move Equivalent use of Hide in Plain Sight.Thus if it is Move Equivalent, you cannot Spring Attack with Hide in Plain Sight on both your approach and departure ... Spring Attack specifically states you may MOVE before and after your attack action. You have only one MOVE action for Spring Attack, you can only Hide in Plain Sight once. So you move up to the opponent while Hiding (better make sure the shadow is next to them because the minute you leave it you're visible) and attack them, but that's it ... you've already broken your hiding. Using the logic that the Supernatural Ability Hide In Plain Sight is a Move Equivalent Action because Hide is. You cannot have two Move Equivalents with Spring Attack. In fact no matter what you do, you can't attack and stay hidden on approach and departure in a normal round unless you are Hasted.</blockquote>

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