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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashtagon" data-source="post: 6046502" data-attributes="member: 72335">With my interpretation, it would mean that the hips would fail only against those individuals that have darkvision. If I have hips, my own darkvision (or lack of it) has no bearing on whether it works. When I use my hips, my human opponent can't see me, but my dwarven opponent (who has darkvision) can still see me. Simply having one individual present who can still see you because darkvision doesn't mean those who lack darkvision can also see you.By way of analogy, imagine I am sneaking past two opponents, one of whom is deaf. Since I am outside their direct field of view (behind them let's say), their ability to see is irrelevant. But now I start singing, loudly and badly. The one with good ears notices me just like that. The deaf one doesn't. But the fact that one can hear me doesn't mean the other can also hear me.</blockquote>