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<blockquote data-quote="gamerprinter" data-source="post: 6046640" data-attributes="member: 50895">Back in 2e and before, it was infra-vision instead of darkvision, as if to imply one was seeing in the infra-red spectrum (heat), which would make invisibility, let alone HiPS not work.&nbsp;This is not the case in PF/3x, darkvision let's you see a certain range in total darkness, but not 'heat' related sight. And darkvision cannot be presumed to be magic, since there are natural races that have darkvision as an ability. For a human to have it, it requires a spell. However, one cannot consider darkvision as magic, rather that to give darkvision (the natural ability) to someone without it naturally, must have the spell cast to have it. This is magically induced darkvision, yet still darkvision on it's own is not magic.&nbsp;Darkvision does not trump Hide in Plain Sight, as HiPS works as it does as long as the parameters within the (Ex) or (Su) is complied with. Neither ability suggests darkvision bypasses the ability. &nbsp;If you think that darkvision circumvents Hide in Plain Sight, you are adding words to the rules that do not exist; hence you are house-ruling. Nothing wrong with houserules, but you can't win an argument of rules based on that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gamerprinter, post: 6046640, member: 50895"] Back in 2e and before, it was infra-vision instead of darkvision, as if to imply one was seeing in the infra-red spectrum (heat), which would make invisibility, let alone HiPS not work. This is not the case in PF/3x, darkvision let's you see a certain range in total darkness, but not 'heat' related sight. And darkvision cannot be presumed to be magic, since there are natural races that have darkvision as an ability. For a human to have it, it requires a spell. However, one cannot consider darkvision as magic, rather that to give darkvision (the natural ability) to someone without it naturally, must have the spell cast to have it. This is magically induced darkvision, yet still darkvision on it's own is not magic. Darkvision does not trump Hide in Plain Sight, as HiPS works as it does as long as the parameters within the (Ex) or (Su) is complied with. Neither ability suggests darkvision bypasses the ability. If you think that darkvision circumvents Hide in Plain Sight, you are adding words to the rules that do not exist; hence you are house-ruling. Nothing wrong with houserules, but you can't win an argument of rules based on that. [/QUOTE]

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