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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6046647" data-attributes="member: 6681948">I agree that none of SU, Ex or Spell determinatively answer the Darkvision question.&nbsp; I'd say that the question is whether the character can use Stealth.&nbsp; He is permitted to use Stealth under observation, and with no cover or concealment.Looking at the ability itself, and the Stealth description, it seems like an issue that would be appropriate for a FAQ.&nbsp; Absent that, I think the GM needs to make a judgement call.&nbsp; If the Shadowdancer is manipulating the shadows in the dim light to provide a place to hide, then this would logically be negated by Darkvision - it's like hiding behind a plate glass door.&nbsp; If we interpret the ability to thicken the shadows so even Darkvision cannot penetrate them to see the Shadowdancer, then any other Stealth user should be able to use the same thickened shadows to use Stealth against opponents with Darkvision.&nbsp; If the shadows are limited to the Shadowdancer, his concealment is pretty ineffective as the Darkvision user need only strike at the portion of the shadows his Darkvision can't penetrate.We can certainly put the Rules Blinders on and assume that, since the rules are terse and don't specify the implications of the ability, it must somehow provide the ability to hide from Darkvision users in the shadows that they can otherwise see through.&nbsp; However, it seems more logical to interpret what the Shadowdancer's abilities actually do, and rule that Darkvision is not affected by conditions of dim light, so using dim light to enhance stealth, as the Shadowdancer does, is futile against anything with Darkvision.&nbsp; That said, it seems like the rules continually expand to prevent any possible interpretation issues (such as not being able to create water in someone's lungs, not being able to target specific body parts with Magic Missiles, etc.), so it would not seem unreasonable to interpret HiPS to (for unexplained reasons) permit the user to use shadows to hide from creatures that can see through shadows, even though the same shadows will provide no concealment for anyone else.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6046647, member: 6681948"] I agree that none of SU, Ex or Spell determinatively answer the Darkvision question. I'd say that the question is whether the character can use Stealth. He is permitted to use Stealth under observation, and with no cover or concealment. Looking at the ability itself, and the Stealth description, it seems like an issue that would be appropriate for a FAQ. Absent that, I think the GM needs to make a judgement call. If the Shadowdancer is manipulating the shadows in the dim light to provide a place to hide, then this would logically be negated by Darkvision - it's like hiding behind a plate glass door. If we interpret the ability to thicken the shadows so even Darkvision cannot penetrate them to see the Shadowdancer, then any other Stealth user should be able to use the same thickened shadows to use Stealth against opponents with Darkvision. If the shadows are limited to the Shadowdancer, his concealment is pretty ineffective as the Darkvision user need only strike at the portion of the shadows his Darkvision can't penetrate. We can certainly put the Rules Blinders on and assume that, since the rules are terse and don't specify the implications of the ability, it must somehow provide the ability to hide from Darkvision users in the shadows that they can otherwise see through. However, it seems more logical to interpret what the Shadowdancer's abilities actually do, and rule that Darkvision is not affected by conditions of dim light, so using dim light to enhance stealth, as the Shadowdancer does, is futile against anything with Darkvision. That said, it seems like the rules continually expand to prevent any possible interpretation issues (such as not being able to create water in someone's lungs, not being able to target specific body parts with Magic Missiles, etc.), so it would not seem unreasonable to interpret HiPS to (for unexplained reasons) permit the user to use shadows to hide from creatures that can see through shadows, even though the same shadows will provide no concealment for anyone else. [/QUOTE]

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