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<blockquote data-quote="gamerprinter" data-source="post: 6046653" data-attributes="member: 50895">This.&nbsp;Darkvision has nothing to do with it. Darkvision is a different ability, but in no way bypasses Hide in Plain Sight. So you can see in a dark shadow with darkvision. Logic or no, it still cannot see someone who is successfully Hiding in Plain Sight, while involving shadows, has nothing to do with darkness.&nbsp;You guys are adding meaning and extra words, where they do not belong.&nbsp;You can houserule it that it works that way, but by RAW it just doesn't work that way.&nbsp;All you need is a successful Perception check with appropriate DC - not special vision.&nbsp;Orc darkvision isn't magic, right? So why do you consider darkvision magic - it's not. While a spell can grant this natural ability to someone who does not possess it, the magic is applying the ability, not the ability itself.&nbsp;The way I read darkvision is that you have to be in total darkness for it to work. If someone is hiding in plain sight, they are in a well lit area that has shadows in it. You need normal vision to see in such light, darkvision does not work when you're not in total darkness. Orcs have normal vision too, and that's what's required to use Perception to see someone HiPS. Also note HiPS doesn't work in total darkness...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gamerprinter, post: 6046653, member: 50895"] This. Darkvision has nothing to do with it. Darkvision is a different ability, but in no way bypasses Hide in Plain Sight. So you can see in a dark shadow with darkvision. Logic or no, it still cannot see someone who is successfully Hiding in Plain Sight, while involving shadows, has nothing to do with darkness. You guys are adding meaning and extra words, where they do not belong. You can houserule it that it works that way, but by RAW it just doesn't work that way. All you need is a successful Perception check with appropriate DC - not special vision. Orc darkvision isn't magic, right? So why do you consider darkvision magic - it's not. While a spell can grant this natural ability to someone who does not possess it, the magic is applying the ability, not the ability itself. The way I read darkvision is that you have to be in total darkness for it to work. If someone is hiding in plain sight, they are in a well lit area that has shadows in it. You need normal vision to see in such light, darkvision does not work when you're not in total darkness. Orcs have normal vision too, and that's what's required to use Perception to see someone HiPS. Also note HiPS doesn't work in total darkness... [/QUOTE]

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