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<blockquote data-quote="Kelleris" data-source="post: 1842102" data-attributes="member: 19130">Hmm...&nbsp; Split 50/50, looks like.&nbsp; I argued that true seeing wouldn't do anything in this case because all it does is see through things, and all Hide in Plain Sight does is let you hide when you normally couldn't.&nbsp; The spell doesn't negate hiding, even under extended situations, so I guess it comes down to a flavor decision (how you interpret the functioning of Hide in Plain Sight).I've always seen it as supernatural skill at hiding, which would imply that true seeing wouldn't do much since that isn't a case it deals with.&nbsp; If you imagine it as somehow slurping up nearby shadows to form concealment-that-isn't-really-concealment-and-merely-lets-you-hide-without-doing-anything-else-than-concealment-normally-lets-you-do, then true seeing's case is stronger.As it is, what's going on is that Hide in Plain Sight is doing something to the hide skill, which is in turn what you present to the true seer.&nbsp; True seeing doesn't do anything against hide, which is not in and of itself magical, and I don't think it can &quot;look through&quot; the Hide check to penetrate the Hide in Plain Sight ability.&nbsp; You'll also note that Hide in Plain sight isn't actually providing any concealment.&nbsp; It's always &quot;on&quot;, but it doesn't make any difference if the hider is just standing there looking at you instead of using his (nonmagical) hiding talents.Another way you could flavorize it is as a supernatural affinity for shadows - you are literally one with them in some way.&nbsp; If someone is allowed to look through shadows as though they weren't there, they see through you in some way sufficient to allow you to attempt to Hide.&nbsp; Note that the ability also allows you to hide when people are staring directly at you, watching closely, with no penalty.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kelleris, post: 1842102, member: 19130"] Hmm... Split 50/50, looks like. I argued that [I]true seeing[/I] wouldn't do anything in this case because all it does is see through things, and all Hide in Plain Sight does is let you hide when you normally couldn't. The spell doesn't negate hiding, even under extended situations, so I guess it comes down to a flavor decision (how you interpret the functioning of Hide in Plain Sight). I've always seen it as supernatural skill at hiding, which would imply that [I]true seeing[/I] wouldn't do much since that isn't a case it deals with. If you imagine it as somehow slurping up nearby shadows to form concealment-that-isn't-really-concealment-and-merely-lets-you-hide-without-doing-anything-else-than-concealment-normally-lets-you-do, then [I]true seeing[/I]'s case is stronger. As it is, what's going on is that Hide in Plain Sight is doing something to the hide skill, which is in turn what you present to the true seer. True seeing doesn't do anything against hide, which is not in and of itself magical, and I don't think it can "look through" the Hide check to penetrate the Hide in Plain Sight ability. You'll also note that Hide in Plain sight isn't actually providing any concealment. It's always "on", but it doesn't make any difference if the hider is just standing there looking at you instead of using his (nonmagical) hiding talents. Another way you could flavorize it is as a supernatural affinity for shadows - you are literally one with them in some way. If someone is allowed to look through shadows as though they weren't there, they see through you in some way sufficient to allow you to attempt to Hide. Note that the ability also allows you to hide when people are staring directly at you, watching closely, with no penalty. [/QUOTE]

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