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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Synchronicity" data-source="post: 1842522" data-attributes="member: 10070">I have to say I come down on the side of Hide in Plain Sight. If you consider True Seeing, it pierces Invisibility, any illusion which is cloaking you, magical darkness, and so on. However, these effects work in a simple way; they say 'When I am under this effect, you can't see me unless you possess X Y Z, which trumps this effect.' Hide in Plain Sight works in a different way: it gives you the opportunity to make a skill check in an unusual circumstance; a circumstance in which you would be otherwise unable to make the check. it does not allow you to just disappear, undetectable save under certain conditions; it allows you to make a check. I feel that since Hide in Plain Sight is an ability which facilitates an unusual use of your natural Hide skill rather than actually concealing you, True Seeing does not apply to it. The waters of this argument are further muddied by the Ranger ability of Hide in Plain Sight, which is (Ex) rather than (Su) and is the same as the Shadowdancer's ability, but split into two abilities, Hide in Plain Sight and Camouflage.Ranger:Hide in Plain Sight (Ex): While in any sort of natural terrain, a ranger of 17th level or higher can use the Hide skill even while being observed.Camouflage (Ex): A ranger of 13th level or higher can use the Hide skill in any sort of natural terrain, even if the terrain doesn’t grant cover or concealment.Shadowdancer:Hide in Plain Sight (Su): A shadowdancer can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in her own shadow.I am curious whether it is the fact of the hiding or the Supernatural nature of it which is causing this argument; do people believe True Seeing should defeat the Ranger's Extraordinary ability to Hide in Plain Sight, or is it the wording on the Shadowdancer's ability which is concerning them? At any rate, I will reiterate my point; I believe that Hide in Plain Sight is an ability to facilitate hiding rather than an ability which magically conceals you without effort on your part, and so True Seeing should not counteract it, though the person utilising True Seeing is allowed a Spot check as normal.Just my 2 cents.Synchronicity.</blockquote>

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