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<blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 1844607" data-attributes="member: 12680">The best argument I can see for why True Seeing would trump HiPS is that it removes the shadow.&nbsp; Since there is no shadow, the person can't attempt a hide, and therefore the hide is invalid.I am almost swayed by this argument.&nbsp; The points about it being Su vs Ex don't make any difference because it is just overcoming the ability to make the hide and True Seeing overcomes natural darkness just as well as it overcomes magical darkness.However, if the above argument holds true, then it would also be true that a shadowdancer couldn't hide from someone with darkvision since for that person, there would be no shadows close enough.&nbsp; And since the conditions for the hide attempt were trumped, no more need for a spot check.&nbsp; Note of interest... neither true seeing NOR darkvision actually eliminates the shadows... they are just able to see through them.So... my position is still that True Seeing shouldn't affect HiPS at all.&nbsp; But, it would make sense to me if you wanted to rule that it DID overcome it as long as darkvision also overcomes it.Those are my two cents.&nbsp; You can rule it however you want.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lamoni, post: 1844607, member: 12680"] The best argument I can see for why True Seeing would trump HiPS is that it removes the shadow. Since there is no shadow, the person can't attempt a hide, and therefore the hide is invalid. I am almost swayed by this argument. The points about it being Su vs Ex don't make any difference because it is just overcoming the ability to make the hide and True Seeing overcomes natural darkness just as well as it overcomes magical darkness. However, if the above argument holds true, then it would also be true that a shadowdancer couldn't hide from someone with darkvision since for that person, there would be no shadows close enough. And since the conditions for the hide attempt were trumped, no more need for a spot check. Note of interest... neither true seeing NOR darkvision actually eliminates the shadows... they are just able to see through them. So... my position is still that True Seeing shouldn't affect HiPS at all. But, it would make sense to me if you wanted to rule that it DID overcome it as long as darkvision also overcomes it. Those are my two cents. You can rule it however you want. [/QUOTE]

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