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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Liquidsabre" data-source="post: 1845634" data-attributes="member: 15635">Wait a tic, this isn't a silly vote lol...All in all I think the strongest case for TS over HiPS can be made from the TS spell text: "You confer on the subject the ability to see all things as they actually are."No illusions, no darkness, the subject sees all things as they trully are. From this text we see how in many situations a subject with TS is likely to be adjudicated:Rogue behind a barrel: cannot seeRogue hidden in shadows: can seeRogue hidden in fog: cannot seeRogue behind illusory wall: can seeRanger hidden behind trees: cannot seeRanger hidden in the grass with camouflage: cannot seeShadowdancer hidden in shadows: can seeShadowdancer hidden in fog: cannot seeShadowdancer standing in the open 10ft from shadows: can seeStrip away darkness and anything that is not natural and this is what a subject of True Seeing views. The subject sees things as "they actually are." A shadowdancer in fog, would look like a shadowdancer in fog. A shadowdancer behind a barrel would look just like that, a shadowdancer behind a barrel. A shadow dancer in shadows looks like a shadowdancer crouched in the open. A shadowdancer crouched 10ft away from a shadow looks like a shadowdancer crouched 10ft away from a shadow.If it weren't for HiPS being an (Su) ability and requiring shadows to operate I'd be very much obliged to have it work as the 17th level Ranger's (Ex) ability. A spell for example with the ability to see straight through all terrain features (possibly viewing only a flat featureless plain) would see right through a Ranger's HiPS ability (as the ranger is no longer "within" the natural terrain). Though I find it interesting that folk should have an ability available to what amounts to a 7th level Rogue work the same as or better than what is available to a 17th level Ranger.</blockquote>

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