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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Liquidsabre" data-source="post: 1846259" data-attributes="member: 15635">If a shadowdancer partially shifted into the Plane of Shadow I'd definately would go with this. True Seeing can only see into the Ethereal Plane not the Plane of Shadow. However this is not the case:Manual of the planes p.64: "The shadowdancer prestige class described on Chapter 2 of the Dugeon Master's Guide uses shadows but does not enter the Plane of Shadow directly."Here it even describes the Shadowdancer's ability to shadow jump as traveling through the Astral Plane not the Plane of Shadow. I think their tie to the Plane of Shadow is considerably less than may be believed by most.Absolutely correct, by the text HiPS is best defined as a magical ability that allows mundane hiding. My original point being for those who argued for HiPS over TS was that if one considered it magical hiding the TS saw through it but if it remained mundane hiding then TS would be able to see the Shadowdancer as there is nothing there to conceal or cover them. They are, to a subject with TS, simply just standing there in the open with nothing to hide them, at all.It is mundane hiding without the need for cover or concealment, out in the open, as the text clearly reads. Unfortunately, the ability isn't 'natural' (Ex)like a Ranger's Camouflage ability which conceals the ranger with colored paints, twigs, etc. The circumstances that allow a Shadowdancer to hide are magical in nature, remove the magic part of it and HiPS just doesn't work.Essentially HiPS allows the Shadowdancer a way around natural cover or concealment, it provides them with a magical cover so-to-speak. Anything magical that obscures a character can be seen by a subject with TS. *shrugs* It IS a tough call and clearly it could go either way with any group. This is one of the few rules spots that I'd have to say absolutely needs an FAQ question on to clarify it's use. Good discussion though guys, lot's of neat stuff. Personally I wish the shadowdancer had the flavor (and rules text) that Lord Pendragon would have added to it, the PrC would be much cooler IMHO.</blockquote>

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