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<blockquote data-quote="TimSmith" data-source="post: 1850945" data-attributes="member: 10322">Well, I like your idea about the plane of shadow-that could work for me. However, whilst TS does have a list of what it defeats, I don't think that list is intended to be exhaustive- after all, it has a list of what ISN'T defeated by it, too, and dancer HIPS isn't on either list&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> &nbsp;Oh!&nbsp;I think it does matter- because the ex version of the ability is using something REAL to hide behind, even if its a hummock of grass which ordinary guys couldn't make use of but Special Air Service chaps (or Rangers) can. Whereas the su version is hiding only because of a magical ability providing the concealment. TS can &quot;see secret doors CONCEALED BY MAGIC&quot;, for example, but not &quot;secret doors concealed through mundane means.&quot;Definitely one for Sage Advice, though. Now, who wants to vlounteer to write in and ask <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="TimSmith, post: 1850945, member: 10322"] Well, I like your idea about the plane of shadow-that could work for me. However, whilst TS [B]does[/B] have a list of what it defeats, I don't think that list is intended to be exhaustive- after all, it has a list of what ISN'T defeated by it, too, and dancer HIPS isn't on either list ;) Oh! I think it does matter- because the ex version of the ability is using something [B]REAL[/B] to hide behind, even if its a hummock of grass which ordinary guys couldn't make use of but Special Air Service chaps (or Rangers) can. Whereas the su version is hiding only because of a magical ability providing the concealment. TS can "see secret doors CONCEALED BY MAGIC", for example, but not "secret doors concealed through mundane means." Definitely one for Sage Advice, though. Now, who wants to vlounteer to write in and ask :D [/QUOTE]

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