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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aluvial" data-source="post: 2224694" data-attributes="member: 6862">Of course you are right, my guys don't build uber anything, this guy was the first in my group to take a Prestige Class and follow it through.  I like the character design, and of course it comes with a lot of role-playing background.   My issue with high level is the overall complexity things take.  There is a LOT to remember in any given round.  Take the concealment issue.  I did remember to take the 20% miss chance for attacks, and even for the Sleight of Hand, but I didn't know about the Sneak Attack in Concealment rule.  I'll know next time.   Of course my discussion takes me away from the original problem and quesiton.   The games rules seem to be fairly well designed for levels 1-14, then break down in the face of trying to balance the characters at high level.  Clerics are really nasty now, with a lot more damaging spells (Firestorm) is a real pain.  Druids are much worse with their elemental summoning.  The thief can hide right in front of you, and a Barbarian can score well over 100 HP in damage a round.  Up the challenges to face these characters, and you have up the lethality of the game quite considerably.   As a DM, trying to balance appropriate tactical challenges along side of story for eight 19th level characters is nigh impossible.  I feel that there has to be a cap somewhere. Maxing skills is a bit of a problem for me.  If you are good at one thing, shouldn't you have to have some skill at a bulk of the others?  Saves are the same thing.  Fighters with high Fort saves.  Clerics with impossible Will saves.  My characters very, very rarely fail their saves anymore.  I remember, that was the same thing with 1st edition, except that characters of 9th to 12th level made all of their saves...  I think there should be a cap.  I don't know where it should be.... Anyhow, next encounter.  Antimagic and some Iron Golems.... Aluvial</blockquote>

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