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<blockquote data-quote="dr_nukem" data-source="post: 141053" data-attributes="member: 2253">We've had this exact same discussion in our group.Invisibility = 100% concealment = 50% miss chance.Hidden = 100% concealment = 50% miss chance.Song and Silence covers the missle attack from hidding scenario.&nbsp; Basically the attacker can make a single attack and then re-hide at a -20 to his hide check.&nbsp; If the hide check is successful, the sniper's next attack would be a sneak attack.&nbsp; In this manner, an archer could get 1 sneak attack per round.&nbsp; Just remember the 30' rule for sneak attacks.If the defender chooses to attack, he would nominate which square to attack.&nbsp; The DM could make a secret roll (the 50% miss chance), if the opponent is is the nominated square AND the attacker hits, then the hidden character would no longer be hidden.&nbsp; However, with a ranged attacker, the chances of picking the correct square AND not missing (due to the concealment) is pretty darn low.The hidden NPC could also move up and attack the guy in the lit area.&nbsp; If he could move in such a way as to not reveal himself (ie, there is something to hide behind) he could move up to his ranks in Hide and sneak attack the defender.&nbsp; This too is detailed in Song and Silence.One thing, on Invisible characters...&nbsp; Invisibility is actually WORSE than hidding/move silently.&nbsp; An invisible character can be spotted and heard whereas upon a successful hide/MS check, the PC is gone!&nbsp; (that last bit is my opinion...&nbsp; :-&gt;&nbsp; )</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dr_nukem, post: 141053, member: 2253"] We've had this exact same discussion in our group. Invisibility = 100% concealment = 50% miss chance. Hidden = 100% concealment = 50% miss chance. Song and Silence covers the missle attack from hidding scenario. Basically the attacker can make a single attack and then re-hide at a -20 to his hide check. If the hide check is successful, the sniper's next attack would be a sneak attack. In this manner, an archer could get 1 sneak attack per round. Just remember the 30' rule for sneak attacks. If the defender chooses to attack, he would nominate which square to attack. The DM could make a secret roll (the 50% miss chance), if the opponent is is the nominated square AND the attacker hits, then the hidden character would no longer be hidden. However, with a ranged attacker, the chances of picking the correct square AND not missing (due to the concealment) is pretty darn low. The hidden NPC could also move up and attack the guy in the lit area. If he could move in such a way as to not reveal himself (ie, there is something to hide behind) he could move up to his ranks in Hide and sneak attack the defender. This too is detailed in Song and Silence. One thing, on Invisible characters... Invisibility is actually WORSE than hidding/move silently. An invisible character can be spotted and heard whereas upon a successful hide/MS check, the PC is gone! (that last bit is my opinion... :-> ) [/QUOTE]

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