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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7530128" data-attributes="member: 71699">This is what I meant about your focus on not clearly seen: it risks making Skulker a recital of the general rule. I don't believe Skulker is intended to be a recital, ergo one cannot usually hide in dim light.More thought needs to be given to the concept of usually. I'm giving the baseline: if you are unseen, you can expect to be able make a hide check. There could be instances of lesser tests passing, but not usually, and instances of being not clearly seen such as dim light, will usually not be sufficient."and its location is no longer known by them"... this is the key element of what I am asking about. I accepted your argument that hiding when not unseen results in being unseen, and I noticed a feature that is often not discussed - it makes your location not known. Do you agree?I didn't say before, but will add now - parts of your arguments changed my mind, I folded those in and carried on: I should make a point of expressly acknowledging that when it happens. I all too often fail to.</blockquote>