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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7530128" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>This is what I meant about your focus on not clearly seen: it risks making Skulker a recital of the general rule. I don't believe Skulker is intended to be a recital, ergo one cannot usually hide in dim light.</p><p></p><p></p><p>More thought needs to be given to the concept of usually. I'm giving the baseline: if you are unseen, you can expect to be able make a hide check. There could be instances of lesser tests passing, but <strong>not usually</strong>, and instances of being not clearly seen such as dim light, will <strong>usually</strong> not be sufficient.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"<em>and its location is no longer known by them</em>"... this is the key element of what I am asking about. I accepted your argument that hiding when not unseen results in being unseen, and I noticed a feature that is often not discussed - <strong>it makes your location not known</strong>. Do you agree?</p><p></p><p>I didn't say before, but will add now - parts of your arguments changed my mind, I folded those in and carried on: I should make a point of expressly acknowledging that when it happens. I all too often fail to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7530128, member: 71699"] This is what I meant about your focus on not clearly seen: it risks making Skulker a recital of the general rule. I don't believe Skulker is intended to be a recital, ergo one cannot usually hide in dim light. More thought needs to be given to the concept of usually. I'm giving the baseline: if you are unseen, you can expect to be able make a hide check. There could be instances of lesser tests passing, but [B]not usually[/B], and instances of being not clearly seen such as dim light, will [B]usually[/B] not be sufficient. "[I]and its location is no longer known by them[/I]"... this is the key element of what I am asking about. I accepted your argument that hiding when not unseen results in being unseen, and I noticed a feature that is often not discussed - [B]it makes your location not known[/B]. Do you agree? I didn't say before, but will add now - parts of your arguments changed my mind, I folded those in and carried on: I should make a point of expressly acknowledging that when it happens. I all too often fail to. [/QUOTE]
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