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<blockquote data-quote="CCamfield" data-source="post: 567099" data-attributes="member: 8123">Do I have this right?To use an example that came up in my campaign, suppose a hungry hellhound is on the trail of some annoying adventurers that walked through its forest.&nbsp; It thinks it's getting close, so let's assume that it's hiding as it moves along.The spotting distance in light forest is 3d6x10'.&nbsp; Let's say it comes out to 100 feet.Because the hellhound is hiding as it moves, the DC to spot the hellhound at 100 feet is 25 + 11 = 36.&nbsp; For a group of six 2nd level characters, the hellhound is essentially invisible at this distance.Finally, at 50 feet they get to make Spot checks versus the hellhound's rather gross Hide ability.I guess my question is really with the DC 25 + Hide skill.&nbsp; The spotters don't get to take 20, right?&nbsp; So it would generally be pretty damn difficult for anyone to spot someone coming in while hiding, barring a large penalty due to armour or something like that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CCamfield, post: 567099, member: 8123"] Do I have this right? To use an example that came up in my campaign, suppose a hungry hellhound is on the trail of some annoying adventurers that walked through its forest. It thinks it's getting close, so let's assume that it's hiding as it moves along. The spotting distance in light forest is 3d6x10'. Let's say it comes out to 100 feet. Because the hellhound is hiding as it moves, the DC to spot the hellhound at 100 feet is 25 + 11 = 36. For a group of six 2nd level characters, the hellhound is essentially invisible at this distance. Finally, at 50 feet they get to make Spot checks versus the hellhound's rather gross Hide ability. I guess my question is really with the DC 25 + Hide skill. The spotters don't get to take 20, right? So it would generally be pretty damn difficult for anyone to spot someone coming in while hiding, barring a large penalty due to armour or something like that. [/QUOTE]

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