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<blockquote data-quote="Barcode" data-source="post: 72855" data-attributes="member: 3165">Does a hidden character count as &quot;invisible&quot; with regards to the &quot;Attacker Invisible&quot; entry on table 8-8 of the PHB, thereby giving a +2 to attack and denying the target its dex bonus to AC?If not, does the hidden character deny the target its dex bonus to AC implicitly, perhaps without the +2 modifier?If not, is a hidden character at least considered 100% concealed for defensive purposes?I have heard arguments that the entry in table 8-8 is not italicized, and therefore refers to the condition &quot;invisible&quot; (defined as visually undetectable on pg 84 of the DMG) rather than the magical effect, but I was hoping that there was a more specifically stated rule reference or clarification.&nbsp; There is also an offhand mention in the official FAQ in the question on how many sneak attacks a rogue can make:&quot;A rogue deals extra damage with a sneak attack anytime the target is denied Dexterity bonus to AC or anytime the rogue flanks the target, no matter how many attacks the rogue makes. These conditions are not likely to occur during an attack of opportunity, but if they do (such as when the rogue is unseen), the rogue gets her sneak attack bonus damage.&quot;However, this is specific to rogues and still does not mention the +2 modifier one way or the other.&nbsp; Has this been clarified further in any official or quasi-official way?Apologies if this has been discussed to death, but the search being disabled is a bit inconvenient.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Barcode, post: 72855, member: 3165"] Does a hidden character count as "invisible" with regards to the "Attacker Invisible" entry on table 8-8 of the PHB, thereby giving a +2 to attack and denying the target its dex bonus to AC? If not, does the hidden character deny the target its dex bonus to AC implicitly, perhaps without the +2 modifier? If not, is a hidden character at least considered 100% concealed for defensive purposes? I have heard arguments that the entry in table 8-8 is not italicized, and therefore refers to the condition "invisible" (defined as visually undetectable on pg 84 of the DMG) rather than the magical effect, but I was hoping that there was a more specifically stated rule reference or clarification. There is also an offhand mention in the official FAQ in the question on how many sneak attacks a rogue can make: "A rogue deals extra damage with a sneak attack anytime the target is denied Dexterity bonus to AC or anytime the rogue flanks the target, no matter how many attacks the rogue makes. These conditions are not likely to occur during an attack of opportunity, but if they do (such as when the rogue is unseen), the rogue gets her sneak attack bonus damage." However, this is specific to rogues and still does not mention the +2 modifier one way or the other. Has this been clarified further in any official or quasi-official way? Apologies if this has been discussed to death, but the search being disabled is a bit inconvenient. [/QUOTE]

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