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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1724805" data-attributes="member: 23094">Except that this does not apply in this case.  The rogue used his Hide skill to spring a surprise round on the thug, and then attacked normally.  In other words, "Suddenly, a masked man leaps out of the shadows and attacks you with a rusty dagger.  You are unable to get your guard up in time, and he scores an opportune and painful hit on your shoulder (10 damage)."He would accept the -20 on his Hide roll if and only if he tried to attack him from the shadows while remaining unseen; as in, "Suddenly, you feel a sharp pain - looking down you see a bright red line across your midsection, which begins to bleed freely (10 damage).  You are confused, because you never even saw the blade that cut you."</blockquote>