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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Methos of Aundair" data-source="post: 1725535" data-attributes="member: 21764">Um, I don’t believe you are reading all of the posts. The new topic is not the surprise round, but once combat has already been started how would it affect the rogue who is successfully hidden from the opponents. Once combat has started you cannot have a surprise round in the middle of combat. Please reread the thread, you’ll find, as usual, the thread has changed the topic of discussion.The way that sounds, especially the “to hide while attacking”, makes me believe it is referring to a rogue attempting to attack while hiding. Such as the cases we have brought up in the previous posts. In Souljourner’s example, the rogue who was hiding behind crates (cover) attacked two thugs who were in combat together. Now, say the rogue is attempting to attack but wishes to stay hidden, this in my opinion would require a new Hide check at the -20 penalty. If successful, in other words the thugs failed their spot check, then the attack would be considered a SA. I don’t believe the rules state that just because the rogue is hidden successfully the attack is automatically considered a SA. If it were, than why do they add these additional statements regarding penalty (the -20 while attacking, charging, running, and the specific section under sniping).In a surprise round it is entirely different. If the rogue has a higher initiative than his opponent, it is a SA. But, in the above we are not talking about surprise rounds, we are talking about during combat after it has started.    True. But, even if she was leaving her hiding place after the attack, she is still effectively attacking while hiding, behind the crates, in the shadows, whatever. It doesn’t matter in this instance that she doesn’t plan on re-hiding, in order to get the SA during an ongoing combat she must IMO attack while hiding. That round you are effectively attacking during a hide attempt. It doesn't matter what you are doing the next round, it's this particular round. The re-hiding statement you mention, notice it is under the sniping section of hide and it states “You take a –20 penalty on your Hide check to conceal yourself after the shot”. Notice the “after the shot” statement. This appears to only be for ranged attacks. Appears mind you.@glassjawHaha. Isn’t it hilarious how quick a question or discussion can change direction. Oh well, that’s the fun of these boards.</blockquote>

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