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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shabe" data-source="post: 4228592" data-attributes="member: 66108">Whoa, well the poll does indeed show that its a bad idea in peoples eyes.The idea was not to withhold the PHB for anymore than 10-20 mins when first genning characters, I think what I want will happen anyway AND I will let them look through the whole players handbook. All i'd have to do is say "Hey chaps so we starting a new 4th ED campaign, heres the PHB heres some photocopies of the race section and the overview of the classes, the setting is blah blah blah, and all the core races and classes are available to play, i'm leaning towards this being a heroic party so I'd prefer no evil characters but if you have a nice idea we'll go for a private chat and discuss how it may fit, so yeah i want to get this moving in the next hour, got any questions just ask"As i said the players are all very experienced with 3.5ed which we've been playing 2-3 times a week for the past 7 years, so I'd be sumarising the major changes between the editions to them.NB: Well for a first thread it wasn't too painful, I appreciate constructive critisism but posts that seem outright full of hate aren't so nice, play nice kiddies.</blockquote>