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Message: <blockquote data-quote="herald" data-source="post: 23576" data-attributes="member: 1112">Guns are a sore spot with most D&D games. Here is something to consider.1) Guns didn't eliminate armor instantaniously. For some reason, many people assume that the velosity of bullets has been a constant through out the years, which isn't the case.2) Shield are generally useless against bullets, but concevably it could be expected that a magical shield, with the right enchantments might work.3) Not all armor is created equal. Steel breastplates where sold in the late mid to late reniassance with a bullet test. Master craftsmant would actually shoot a bullet at the armor to chow how damage resistant it was. Usually you could see that the bullet had creased the armor, but not to signifigantly pierce the breastplates. Sometimes this test was conducted right infront of the client to be beyond question.4) Canons are what really make a differance.To understand how a game world might be if gun powder was used by everyday people you would have to take into consideration how the societies would view it's usefulness. Societies like the Red Wizards are not likely to let gun powder into it's armies use for the simple fact that control over the masses that would have it might shift.  But they would develop stratagies to work around it. So let's see how two armies might stack up.Lets take 50 1st level warriors with matchlock muskets (team A) against say a 10th level wizard and 20 1st level warriors (Team B)with longbows. Both armies meet across a long even field. For the sake of arguement, we will say that the units see each other at 150 feet, the exact long range of a musket as per d20 rules.I'll assume that Team A wins initiative thier soldiers stand in two ranks, front row kneeling, back row standing. Their ranks take up a space 10 feet by 125 feet. Team b Is in two ranks as well but  only take up a 10 x 50 square.The wizard stands behind the ranks.1a) The Muskets are loaded and prepaired to fire. 1b) The wizard casts Wall of Force it exceeds th area of fifty feet of cover, the archers now have 100% cover.2a) The Muskets are fired to no affect, (Guns shoot straight to targets, no arc.)2b) The Wizard casts Improved Invisiblity on himself.3a) Muskets are reloaded.3b) Wizard casts Haste on himself.4a) Team A advances 15 Feet and fires to no effect.4b) Wizard Casts Fly on himself5a) Team a reloads.5b) Team b prepares bows and arrows. Wizard files 90 feet to a Flanking position to the ememies side, (Left or right doesn't really matter.) 6a) Team a advances 15 feet and fires. No effect.6b) Team b archers ready an action The will attack once the wizard launches lightning bolt.7a) Team A reloads.7b) Wizard lands at the 100 yard mark of the archers range. But off to the side So as to be 10 feet from the end of the enemy ranks when they pass him.8a) The warriors advance and fire. They miss again now they are105 five feet away.8b) Archers hold action. Wizard holds action until Team a is in position for a lightning bolt.9a) Team a reloads.9b) Team B holds action.10a) Team A advances....On 10 a the wizard launches a 10 x 100 foot lightning bolt. The lightning will reach 40 of the warriors on Team A. Even if the all save for half damage it is most likely that all will die. Those that do not save will most likely die and if they didn't, well then all of thier equipment will have to make saves to not be destroyed. Gun powder will most likely burn, not explode, but burn up if no cause additional damage to the warriors.If this doesn't take out most of team A. The wizard uses his extra partial action and launches a second lightning bolt. This will virtually assue that 40 members of Team A dies.In addition the Archers launch their attacks, since the lightning bolt goes off. The each of the final 10 have a chance of getting two arrows apiece aimed at them.You can guess how the end plays out.</blockquote>

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