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<blockquote data-quote="gribble" data-source="post: 4874763" data-attributes="member: 12430">I know this wasn't the case, for a couple of reasons:Firstly, the rest of the party (apart from the ranger) were barely threatened. I think we spent a grand total of 1 or 2 healing surges between us, and a couple of dailies each (given that one of these for my character was the Evards he uses pretty much every encounter, that wasn't much). IME, you need to make Epic characters roll a base of 13+ to challenge them at all. By the time you add in combat advantage and leader buffs, starting at a 13+ you normally end up with an 8/9+ with Epic PCs. As I said above - that was one of the problems for the ranger as well. As a leader, would you rather buff the ranger so his 20 to hit goes to a 16 to hit, or the rogue so his 13 to hit goes to a 9 to hit? I know which I'd choose (and did).Secondly, afterwards the DM said that it was a level 22 encounter. Well within the range/ability of a level 21 party to deal with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gribble, post: 4874763, member: 12430"] I know this wasn't the case, for a couple of reasons: Firstly, the rest of the party (apart from the ranger) were barely threatened. I think we spent a grand total of 1 or 2 healing surges between us, and a couple of dailies each (given that one of these for my character was the Evards he uses pretty much every encounter, that wasn't much). IME, you need to make Epic characters roll a base of 13+ to challenge them at all. By the time you add in combat advantage and leader buffs, starting at a 13+ you normally end up with an 8/9+ with Epic PCs. As I said above - that was one of the problems for the ranger as well. As a leader, would you rather buff the ranger so his 20 to hit goes to a 16 to hit, or the rogue so his 13 to hit goes to a 9 to hit? I know which [B]I'd[/B] choose (and did). Secondly, afterwards the DM said that it was a level 22 encounter. Well within the range/ability of a level 21 party to deal with. [/QUOTE]

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