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<blockquote data-quote="gribble" data-source="post: 4874908" data-attributes="member: 12430">The &quot;As in 3e&quot;, which directly precedes the part you've bolded, is largely my problem with your bolding and subsequent commentary.Edit to make the post (and whole thread of conversation) a bit more useful to the OP:To me, the important part of the post is this bit:Someone reading the 4e propaganda could be forgiven for thinking that problem had been fixed. It hasn't.Sure, the ranger is a fairly extreme example. But I maintain that I've found it very easy in 4e for a casual player to drop a point of magic here, start with a slightly lower primary stat and drop a point or two there, not pick up expertise and drop another 2-3 points.In 4e, each point of attack bonus you lose is very costly. Much more so than 3e. When you get to Epic level, those points here and there can quickly add up to a big gap between optimised and non-optimised characters.I've found it's definitely something to keep an eye on and be wary about.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gribble, post: 4874908, member: 12430"] The "[I]As in 3e[/I]", which directly precedes the part you've bolded, is largely my problem with your bolding and subsequent commentary. [B]Edit to make the post (and whole thread of conversation) a bit more useful to the OP:[/B] To me, the important part of the post is this bit: [I]Someone reading the 4e propaganda could be forgiven for thinking that problem had been fixed. It hasn't.[/I] Sure, the ranger is a fairly extreme example. But I maintain that I've found it very easy in 4e for a casual player to drop a point of magic here, start with a slightly lower primary stat and drop a point or two there, not pick up expertise and drop another 2-3 points. In 4e, each point of attack bonus you lose is [B]very [/B]costly. Much more so than 3e. When you get to Epic level, those points here and there can quickly add up to a big gap between optimised and non-optimised characters. I've found it's definitely something to keep an eye on and be wary about. [/QUOTE]

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