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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Coroc" data-source="post: 7969034" data-attributes="member: 6895991">To get to the topic:It is a bit of a question of your general power level, power factions major players etc. in your campaign world.E.g. if the PCs are the only level 16 - 20 individuals in the world then things could get boring quickly since the only challenge for them would be more and tougher mobs.But let us assume you want to run some conflict versus some faction:Here is the thing: the faction leader might be a super rich merchant who is only a level 1 or so human, but able to buy whole kingdoms and mercenary armies. Also he can buy the best magic protection for himself, so players wanting to harm him have to deal with artifact magic defending him.And even if there is no protection, it might be a taboo for the players to harm him in any way e.g. since they would be outlawed in all realms and declared fee bird to be captured or slayed by anyone who feels like it, or similar social barriers.That would be a bit like RL, not the best fighter wins, but the man who can afford to hire him and his 99 other buddies of the top 100 best fighters.What many seem to assume, is that a level 20 party is unbeatable by most challenges, but they are not.How do you guys play gods (not demigods) or top arch demons in your world?Are they just like mobs with a CR of let us say 30 or is there more to them, especially when on their home plane?I tend to play these antagonists like they should be imho: Most of them can do more at will than a combined level 20 group, and simply reducing one avatar of them to zero hit points won't really resolve anything. The only thing keeping them in check, is that e.g. gods friendly to the PCs would oppose every direct confrontation of an entity with the PCs. But using hoards of pesky minions, to hamper the PCs on every corner, is fair game.</blockquote>

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