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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UrsusTas" data-source="post: 4315344" data-attributes="member: 63472">Good point's on the monster type, I haven't looked through hardly any of the monsters yet, just sampled a few ..My point is that I am going to end up building a less than optimal character .. sure you look at a wizard and say put a max int and whatever but after a character is initially built I go back and refine the idea/concept behind it .. try to make everything cohesive .. sometimes it's changing the idea but often as not it's changing the stats around or different abilities/feats. I would expect the 'average' character to be 50% .. if you min/max then probably you should be at 75% .. but the way I currently see it is the min max is 60% vs minions and 40% or less vs elites .. so my 'non-optimal' dude will be 35% vs minions and 15% vs elites .. and that worries me as a player and a dm.I might only put a 16 or and 18 into int and invest my resources not into an uber orb/wand/staff but instead get a mid range orb and invest instead into other cool magical items .. but it seems to me that doing anything like this makes it pretty impossible to hit stuff <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f635.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt="O.o" title="Er... what?    O.o"  data-smilie="12"data-shortname="O.o" />From a player perspective, I have an idea to play a wizard who is concerned about nature, so either an elf or eldarin, nature skill, perhaps innitiate of teh faith talent to the nature god or force of nature, etc .. try to allocate stats and choose powers effectively to suit whatever ideas I have (but in truth it's probably a bit of give and take since I don't know the powers .. each power you see becomes the new greatest idea until you flip the page <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />) .. Anyway it was mostly I was wondering if I had missed something .. I am hoping after a few games i will get a feel for the balance and it will all sort it'self out.. i just cannot at the moment understand the 'vanilla' rules being balance in a 50% sorta ideal.</blockquote>

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