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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PeterMikelsons" data-source="post: 1252764" data-attributes="member: 11154">I think I agree that a nation requires individuals with high levels of those skills. However, while they are developing those skills, they are losing ranks in Listen, Spot, Tumble, Hide, Move Silently, Survival, and other survival skills, and not optimizing BAB, hit points, or spell use. So the nation building individuals will be vulnerable to physical threats from other individuals who care not for nations but only for adventuring and their own power. With nation building being so risky, it seems like nations would be very unstable and rare. Instead, it seems to me like the largest common social structure would be a small clan of people clustered around a hierarchy of a few high-level individuals. The nature of each clan depends on its high-level leader, whether Beholder or Paladin. With magic, some of the clans would be quite productive and pleasant places to live. Others would be squalid cults enslaved to their leader. Still, all would lack the skills and inclination to form sprawling empires.</blockquote>