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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Calico_Jack73" data-source="post: 1366715" data-attributes="member: 14403"><p>I don't know sometimes one trick is all it takes... Looking at the greater strength gains from the Barbarian in 3.5 the only feats I'd need as a Barbarian are Improved Unarmed Strike and Improved Grapple (he could get those by 3rd level).  I'd get +4 just from the Improved Grapple Alone and the Strength bonuses I'd get at high levels would just make him a grappling machine.  Once that Barbarian gets the Fighter in a Grapple, he owns him.  In a straight up weapons duel I'd have to agree with you though the Damage Reduction would definitely help the Barbarian.  At 19th level he'll ignore the first 5 points of damage that the fighter dishes out while the Fighter eats every point that the Barbarian hits him with.  5 points from every attack adds up.  A 20th level fighter will attack 4 times per round.  If he hits every time then that is 20 points of damage the Barbarian will ignore.  The Barbarian will also get those 4 shots in but the Fighter will eat every point.  You can't use medium or large weapons when being grappled and most weapons that you can't use would simply nick the barbarian after his damage reduction was taken into account.  The better Hit Dice coupled with Damage reduction coupled with bonus hit points from the rage would let the Barbarian go the distance.  I made a Half-Orc Barbarian with the 28 point non-standard buy system and he started at 1st level with a 18 Str.  When he hits 20th level not only will he have a 23 Str when not enraged but when he does rage he'll have a 31 Str.  Couple that with the Improved Grapple feat and that is +34 to his Grapple check at 20th level.  I haven't seen too many Fighters take Improved Unarmed and Improved Grapple since typically they focus on Weapon Feats but we'll give the example Fighter an 18 Str to start with as well and put every stat increase into Str as well.  He'd have a Str of 23 as well so that would give him +6 and then his BAB would raise his Grapple bonus up to +26.  It may only be a 8 point difference but those 8 points can mean a lot.  That extra strength does come in handy.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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