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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Epametheus" data-source="post: 1367777" data-attributes="member: 719">If anything, grappling is probably in the fighter's favor, since the barbarian is drastically reducing his own damage output, and the fighter is a freaking idiot if he doesn't have armor spikes.  Grappling evens the playing field in the fighter's favor, really.I've played a grappling-based fighter before.  Killing something through grappling takes forever.  It can take a low level character 5 or so rounds to kill something with 40 HP in a grapple.  Killing someone with 150-300 (depending on what level we're looking at) or so HP through grappling would take so bloody long that the barbarian's rage would die out.  Mouseferatu's Wounding Armor Spikes would certianly speed up the process, though.Disarm and Sunder:  Remember, what the feats do is negate an AoO, give you +4 to the attack roll, and protect you from a counter-attack if you blow it.  You can still attempt these attacks just fine without the feat. A barbarian can pull a hefty attack bonus lead over the fighter (especially if the figher is using expertise to protect himself from the barbarian, or is using power attack to take advantage of the barbarian's piss-poor AC), and as a barbarian should be able to do enough damage in 1 hit to shatter a medium or light weapon.  Being vulnerable to disarm and sunder attacks is probably the single biggest reason for the fighter and barbarian to refrain from using the BAB-reducing feats on each other.The rage of a high level barbarian is going to last close to 10 rounds, if not longer.  He only needs about 2 of those to mow the fighter down.Granted, the fighter only needs 3 or so to mow down the barbarian, if he does good damage.Trainz's TWF invincible fighter would of course be much better than he should be, if the poor opponent isn't even allowed to notice that Mr. Invincible is going all-out defensive and react accordingly.Incidentally, wealthy barbarians do have a solution for archery-based enemies that are trying to keep away and hide:  Wings of Flying.A barbarian vs. just about any other melee class is basically a no-contest in favor of the barbarian, while barbarian vs. fighter is gonna be dependent on how many hoops the fighter can jump through to find something that a barbarian simply can't deal with.</blockquote>

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