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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dark Jezter" data-source="post: 1370608" data-attributes="member: 1015">Not really.  I've seen combats where barbarians killed fighters with spring attacks.Keep in mind that I wasn't testing "who is the most versitile", I was testing "who will win in a down & dirty melee brawl" between a 20th level barbarian and a 20th level fighter from the Dungeon Master's Guide.Reach weapons aren't all that they are cracked up to be.  If the fighter attacked with a reach weapon, the barbarian would just be able to step 5 feet forward the next tround and attempt to sunder the fighter's reach weapon, and the fighter couldn't make an AoO because the barbarian is inside the weapon's minimum range.The fighter didn't trip because he didn't have high enough intelligence for the improved trip feat, and neither was he using a tripping weapon.Both combatants had the improved Sunder feat as I built them, since it only requires 13 strength and the Power Attack feat.Grappling would benefit the barbarian more than the fighter, due to his rage-enhanced strength.Ranged attacks were not allowed, because this was a melee combat test....and improved weapon focus, and improved weapon specialization.  Part of the test was to see if these fighter-only feats could compete with the Barbarian's rage.I didn't throw the test together to decide which of the two was the better ranged combat.  I did it as a test of melee combat power.</blockquote>