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<blockquote data-quote="heliopolix" data-source="post: 1379713" data-attributes="member: 15956">Thats why first po was invis and second was FLY. Round 1)Even if Fighter wins&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; init and managed to make it to me (ie boots of speed, horse, ect), he gets a charge attack. Most likely hits me. I take 5' step away, draw invis, drink it. Round2)Fighter steps up, makes full attack. Maximum attacks are 6 (3 via BAB, 2 via GTWF, 1 via haste). say all hit ac, but 50% miss b/c of invis. Ive taken 4 hits now. I draw po of fly, quaff it, and step 5' in some direction.Round3)Fighter now has to make listen check to locate me, can attack my priorsquare, or make other attacks at others squares. Lets say he guesses correctlywith one of them, and it hits AC and misschance. Ive taken 5 hits now. I still have over 2 min to fly around drink heal po, and buff. End result : Me buffed, him not, me at almost max capacity, him unhurt, and.. i get surprize charge.The only way to really fubar this plan is to make a sucessfully trip me on the charge.I could have done the Potion Buff with a fighter and gotten the same result. I was just trying to prove that fore-knowledge of the fight is going to skew results. I still think that the Barb vs. monster and Fighter vs. Monster and compare the results is really the only way to see. Otherwise, metagaming enters too much into it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="heliopolix, post: 1379713, member: 15956"] Thats why first po was invis and second was FLY. Round 1)Even if Fighter wins init and managed to make it to me (ie boots of speed, horse, ect), he gets a charge attack. Most likely hits me. I take 5' step away, draw invis, drink it. Round2)Fighter steps up, makes full attack. Maximum attacks are 6 (3 via BAB, 2 via GTWF, 1 via haste). say all hit ac, but 50% miss b/c of invis. Ive taken 4 hits now. I draw po of fly, quaff it, and step 5' in some direction. Round3)Fighter now has to make listen check to locate me, can attack my prior square, or make other attacks at others squares. Lets say he guesses correctly with one of them, and it hits AC and misschance. Ive taken 5 hits now. I still have over 2 min to fly around drink heal po, and buff. End result : Me buffed, him not, me at almost max capacity, him unhurt, and.. i get surprize charge. The only way to really fubar this plan is to make a sucessfully trip me on the charge. I could have done the Potion Buff with a fighter and gotten the same result. I was just trying to prove that fore-knowledge of the fight is going to skew results. I still think that the Barb vs. monster and Fighter vs. Monster and compare the results is really the only way to see. Otherwise, metagaming enters too much into it. [/QUOTE]

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