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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6624700" data-attributes="member: 6787650">No to both.However, I'm pretty sure it won't be an issue for me anyway. My style is more quantity than quality anyway. Since I'm willing to throw 70 CR 7 Stygian Skeletons at a level 8 party, I would certainly throw those same 70 Stygian Skeletons at a level 16 party, and if so Forcecage and Contagion aren't going to help them. They avoided the CR 19 dragon (who is also a level 12 Sorcerer), but if they'd engaged him instead and tried to Forcecage him he would either Counterspell it or Misty Step out of it.If the players Counterspell his Counterspell, they will have played well and deserve to win. A dragon can only be so paranoid, and cannot possibly block every avenue of attack; once it's in the Forcecage and its attempt to Misty Step has been counterspelled, it would recognize that it has lost[1], and resort to threats and bargaining.[1] Assuming that its breath weapon has been rendered futile as well, since the range of Counterspell and adult red dragon breath weapon are both an identical 60 feet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6624700, member: 6787650"] No to both. However, I'm pretty sure it won't be an issue for me anyway. My style is more quantity than quality anyway. Since I'm willing to throw 70 CR 7 Stygian Skeletons at a level 8 party, I would certainly throw those same 70 Stygian Skeletons at a level 16 party, and if so Forcecage and Contagion aren't going to help them. They avoided the CR 19 dragon (who is also a level 12 Sorcerer), but if they'd engaged him instead and tried to Forcecage him he would either Counterspell it or Misty Step out of it. If the players Counterspell his Counterspell, they will have played well and deserve to win. A dragon can only be so paranoid, and cannot possibly block [I]every[/I] avenue of attack; once it's in the Forcecage and its attempt to Misty Step has been counterspelled, it would recognize that it has lost[1], and resort to threats and bargaining. [1] Assuming that its breath weapon has been rendered futile as well, since the range of Counterspell and adult red dragon breath weapon are both an identical 60 feet. [/QUOTE]

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