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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1687800" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>The players are at fault for useing the spell as written? Wow.. we have very different defintions of 'at fault' and where to lay blame.</p><p></p><p>The spell is the problem, not that players might actually <em>cast it</em>. If a spell is only balanced if it is never used then there is a problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, Bob the mage is not a 'unique being', there are millions of other people of his same race floating around, a good number of which are mages.</p><p></p><p>If your definition of unique being is 'someone with a name' then the whole part of the spell about naming the intended creature is completely worthless.</p><p></p><p>So obviously you can call someone if you know their name, and they are not a diety or some sort of strange 'unique being', which would seem to me to be more like an entity (sortof like a god, go figure).</p><p></p><p>In addtion, 'aid' seems reasonable to be used towards defeating a foe. That is a pretty big use of aid anyway. Like the spell aid (combat use) or the aid another action (mostly combat uses). Aid in combat seems more than reasonable.</p><p></p><p>Or you could just go to the negative material plane, gate in your hated enemy, and tell him to make you pancakes until the duration expires. Aiding you in alleviating your hunger.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In your own words though, you have failed to <strong>read</strong> the spell. It is all very clear.</p><p></p><p>You can call a creature if you know their name. Assuming you do then they can only have up to double your caster level in hd. After that you have them for a period of time before they go away and they must do what you say.</p><p></p><p>The problem is definately the spell, not that some characters might actually cast it!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1687800, member: 5777"] The players are at fault for useing the spell as written? Wow.. we have very different defintions of 'at fault' and where to lay blame. The spell is the problem, not that players might actually [I]cast it[/I]. If a spell is only balanced if it is never used then there is a problem. Also, Bob the mage is not a 'unique being', there are millions of other people of his same race floating around, a good number of which are mages. If your definition of unique being is 'someone with a name' then the whole part of the spell about naming the intended creature is completely worthless. So obviously you can call someone if you know their name, and they are not a diety or some sort of strange 'unique being', which would seem to me to be more like an entity (sortof like a god, go figure). In addtion, 'aid' seems reasonable to be used towards defeating a foe. That is a pretty big use of aid anyway. Like the spell aid (combat use) or the aid another action (mostly combat uses). Aid in combat seems more than reasonable. Or you could just go to the negative material plane, gate in your hated enemy, and tell him to make you pancakes until the duration expires. Aiding you in alleviating your hunger. In your own words though, you have failed to [B]read[/B] the spell. It is all very clear. You can call a creature if you know their name. Assuming you do then they can only have up to double your caster level in hd. After that you have them for a period of time before they go away and they must do what you say. The problem is definately the spell, not that some characters might actually cast it! [/QUOTE]
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