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<blockquote data-quote="rushlight" data-source="post: 1689673" data-attributes="member: 3801"><p>Mephistopheles, I see your logic, but here's where I found the difference. Here's the entry for "Calling Creatures":</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>It seems to me that the first paragraph is defining the "Calling" ability in overview. With the spell you can <strong>A</strong>) call a "particular being" or <strong>B</strong>) call a "kind of being". They come either willing or unwilling. It also notes the length of the spell and that it takes XP.</p><p> </p><p>The second paragraph seems to define the conditions used when calling type A or B. The first line says "<strong>If you choose</strong> to call a <strong>kind of creature <u>instead</u></strong> of a <strong>known individual</strong>..." That means if you've chosen type B. In the PHB it goes on to state "...for instance, a bearded devil or a ghaele eladrin - you may call either a single creature (of any HD) or several creatures." Then it goes on to state the HD limits of the spell. </p><p> </p><p>It never says "<em>If you choose to call a known individual...</em>" and list an HD requirement or if they are controlled or uncontrolled. After the text on HD limits, it does restate, "Deities and unique beings cannot be controlled in any event..." That indicates that if you didn't choose "a kind of creature" then the HD (and control) limits don't apply - because it's a "unique" creature. If the limits applied to BOTH a "kind of creature" <strong>and</strong> a "particular being" then why does that paragraph start with "If you choose..." and use "instead" to differentiate the two seperate types? Why not just say, "When you call a creature you may call either a single creature (of any HD) or several creatures..."? </p><p> </p><p>It's logical to see that being able to call and control a specific person <strong>would</strong> unbalance this spell. It also seems clear to me that the designers took steps to prevent that - that's <em>why</em> there's a division between "kind of creature" and "particular being". If the rules for both are identical, why bother with a distinction? </p><p> </p><p>And how many "unique" beings (ala the Tarrasque) are there anyway? Why bother with a clause that applies to only a single creature? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>A specific individual <strong>IS</strong> unique. Are you claiming that there is an entire race of people who are indentical in exactly every way to you? Are you not unique being? Isn't there only one Saeviomagy who lives where you live, posts on ENworld, drives your car and eats at your breakfast table? </p><p> </p><p>You are a "particular being". And as a "particular being" you are "unique". There isn't another "particular being" exactly like you. </p><p> </p><p>At least, that's how I see it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rushlight, post: 1689673, member: 3801"] Mephistopheles, I see your logic, but here's where I found the difference. Here's the entry for "Calling Creatures": It seems to me that the first paragraph is defining the "Calling" ability in overview. With the spell you can [b]A[/b]) call a "particular being" or [b]B[/b]) call a "kind of being". They come either willing or unwilling. It also notes the length of the spell and that it takes XP. The second paragraph seems to define the conditions used when calling type A or B. The first line says "[color=windowtext][b]If you choose[/b] to call a [b]kind of creature [u]instead[/u][/b] of a [b]known individual[/b]..." That means if you've chosen type B. In the PHB it goes on to state "...for instance, a bearded devil or a ghaele eladrin - you may call either a single creature (of any HD) or several creatures." Then it goes on to state the HD limits of the spell. [/color] [color=windowtext]It never says "[i]If you choose to call a known individual...[/i]" and list an HD requirement or if they are controlled or uncontrolled. After the text on HD limits, it does restate, "Deities and unique beings cannot be controlled in any event..." That indicates that if you didn't choose "a kind of creature" then the HD (and control) limits don't apply - because it's a "unique" creature. If the limits applied to BOTH a "kind of creature" [b]and[/b] a "particular being" then why does that paragraph start with "If you choose..." and use "instead" to differentiate the two seperate types? Why not just say, "When you call a creature you may call either a single creature (of any HD) or several creatures..."? [/color] [color=windowtext]It's logical to see that being able to call and control a specific person [b]would[/b] unbalance this spell. It also seems clear to me that the designers took steps to prevent that - that's [i]why[/i] there's a division between "kind of creature" and "particular being". If the rules for both are identical, why bother with a distinction? [/color] [color=windowtext]And how many "unique" beings (ala the Tarrasque) are there anyway? Why bother with a clause that applies to only a single creature? [/color] [color=windowtext] [/color] [color=windowtext]A specific individual [b]IS[/b] unique. Are you claiming that there is an entire race of people who are indentical in exactly every way to you? Are you not unique being? Isn't there only one Saeviomagy who lives where you live, posts on ENworld, drives your car and eats at your breakfast table? [/color] [color=windowtext]You are a "particular being". And as a "particular being" you are "unique". There isn't another "particular being" exactly like you. [/color] [color=windowtext]At least, that's how I see it.[/color] [/QUOTE]
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