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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 6834673" data-attributes="member: 83242">I agree, I wasn't either, for most the same reasons you were not.I didn't realize there was a Primal Order:  Pawns.   I will have to track that down.  I like the idea of signature power as well.  The 5e dragons are kinda vanilla (all the same design, just a change in breath weapon) so I thought I would submit some revised dragons to the DMs Guild and add back some 4e type powers, then I came across an old Dragon article about "True Dragons"  which also had the concept of older dragons developing a unique signature power. I thought that would be something to build the redesigns around.Don't blame yourself, unfortunately 4e was not to be.  Though I was really looking forward to your super-size rules.  The 4e system is really set up well for epic tier play IMHO.  The 2x power per 5 levels concept combined with the minion, standard, elite, solo, super-solo system. It really gives you flexibility to make and modify monsters to work across a range of play.  I think a lot people missed that concept.  A balor could be elite at 29th level, but a standard at 34th level, a minion at 39th level.  I always thought you could add swarms to that progression as well.  Thus an Immortal tier god could challenge a host of angles or similar.I've still thought about making an effort to make a truly epic/immortal immortal tier 4e, but I agree that to do it right you need to rebuild the existing epic (balors should be epic after all) first and that would be a lot of additional work.  Ultimately my ideal system is a mix of 4e, 5e, and my own ideas.  I've decided to proceed down that route when I get time.  Until then I am making "epic" conversions for 5e and using it as practice for avatars of the truly epic levels I am contemplating for my own system.</blockquote>

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