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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AFGNCAAP" data-source="post: 1403737" data-attributes="member: 871">WARNING--This is a LONG post... but hopefully helpful to you.Cool!  Glad I could help!BTW, this thread got me to pull out my nice, red hardcover copy of LotR to do some quick research on the events following the War of The Ring.  Some of this stuff may be "d'uh"-level obvious, but it was a nice refresher to look over.For example:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The 3rd Age officially ended in 3021 (Shire Reckoning 1421) with Frodo, Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond, & Galadriel passing through the Grey Havens & into the West on Sept. 29th of this year.  However, the Fourth Age Reckoning officially began on March 25th, 3021.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The family decended from Samwise's eldest daughter, Elanor, is the keepers of the Red Book of Westmarch.  Faramir Took, son of Pippin, married Goldilocks Gamgee (one of Sam's daughters, & younger than Elanor by 10 years).  Merry did marry, but there's no listing of heirs for him. (taken from Appendix C of LotR)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In year 61 of the 4th Age (Shire Reckoning 1482), Sam's wife Rose passed away.  Later that year, Sam passed through the Grey Havens, & over the Sea (the last of the Ring-Bearers to do so).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In year 63 of the 4th Age (Shire Reckoning 1484), Merry & Pippin left the Shire.  They visited Eomer, who died that year (Eomer's son Elfwine the Fair ruled afterward).  Merry & Pippin died years later in Gondor.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In year 82 of the 4th Age (Shire Reckoning 1503), Faramir of Gondor (son of Denthor II, brother of Boromir, & husband of Eowyn) dies.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In year 120 of the 4th Age (Shire Reckoning 1541), King Elessar/Aragorn passed away, survived by Arwen, his son Eldarion & his daughters.  After Aragorn's death, Legolas left at this time, taking Gimli with him.</li> </ul>Two years before the end of the 3rd Age (3021), Dain Ironfoot (Thorin Oakenshield's cousin & the King Under the Mountain) died alongside Brand, King of Dale (& descendant of Bard of Dale, Smaug-Slayer).  Dain left his kingdom to his son Thorin (III) Stonehelm; Thorin Stonehelm was succeeded by Durin VII, but it is not clear when this occurred.  King Brand of Dale left his kingdom to his son Bard (II).After the War of the Ring, very few (if any) of the Elves of Lorien remained; while the Elves of Mirkwood (now known as the Wood of Greenleaves, or Greenwood) mostly remained.Shire Events (noted in Shire Reckoning years--note that year 120 of the 4th Age = year 1541 in Shire Reckoning):<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">S.R. 1427--Will Whitfoot resigns as Mayor; Samwise becomes Mayor of the Shire.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">S.R. 1432--Merry becomes Master of Buckland.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">S.R. 1434--Pippin becomes the Took and Thain.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">S.R. 1463--Faramir Took marries Goldilocks Gamgee.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">S.R. 1476--Sam resigns after his seventh (& last) time as Mayor at 96 years old.</li> </ul>So, what does all of this mean?  Well....<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">At the start of the 4th Age, Will Whitfoot is Mayor of the Shire.  King Bard II rules Erebor (Laketown); Thorin Stonehelm is King-Under-the-Mountain.  Eomer is King of Rohan; Faramir of Gondor is wed to Eowyn.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Five years after the start of the 4th Age, Sam is Mayor of the Shire.  He's already married to Rose, & already has 4 kids (including his eldest, Elanor) when he first takes office.  Pippin marries that year.  King Elessar/Aragorn issues an Edict that Men are not to enter the Shire, making it a Free Land under the protection of the Northern Sceptre.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Faramir Took is born 3 years after Pippin's marriage.  Goldilocks Gamgee is born a year later.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Merry becomes Master of Buckland a year after Goldilocks is born.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Pippin becomes the Took & Thain when his son Faramir is 4 years old. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sam's eldest daughter Elanor marries Fastred of Greenholm 20 years after her little sister Goldilocks was born.  The year afterward, the lands of the Westmarch are added to the Shire.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Three years after Elanor's marriage, her son Elfstan is born.  The next year, Sam becomes Mayor for the 5th time.  The year after that, Fastred is made Warden of Westmarch.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Faramir Took & Goldilocks Gamgee wed the year after Sam's sixth time as Mayor (approx. 12 years after Elanor's wedding).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nineteen years after Faramir & Goldilocks wed is Sam's passage across the Sea.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Two years after Rose's death/Sam's departure, Merry & Pippin leave the Shire; King Eomer dies that year (his son Elfwine the Faiur takes over).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nineteen years after Eomer's death, Faramir of Gondor dies.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Thirty-eight years after Faramir of Gondor's death, King Elessar/Aragorn dies, and his son Eldarion succeeds as King; Gimli & Legolas cross the Sea; Arwen leaves to Lorien & eventually passes away there.</li> </ul>As for direct relatives/decscendants of the Fellowship hobbits, there's:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The line of Faramir Took & Goldilocks Gamgee;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The descendants of Fredegar Bolger;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Any nephews/nieces of Pippin Took from his brother or sisters;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Any children of Merry Brandybuck & Estella Bolger; </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The kids of Faramir Took & Goldilocks Gamgee;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The descendants of Fastred of Greenholm & Elanor the Fair (who eventually become of the Fairbairns of the Towers, Wardens of Westmarch);</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Descendants of Harding of the Hill (grandnephew of Elanor & Goldilocks--grandson of their brother Frodo Gardner);</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Any nephews/nieces of Elanor, Frodo Gardner, & Goldilocks from their 10 other siblings (Elanor was 1st/oldest, Frodo Gardner was 2nd, & Goldilocks was 6th; there are 13 children of Samwise Gamgee & Rose Cotton overall).</li> </ul>As for other (potential) notable descendants, there's:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The descendants of Thorin Stonehelm (KIng-Under-The-Mountain)--one of whom is Durin VII & Last, though unsure when Durin VII appears);</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The descendants of Bard II of Erebor (Laketown);</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The descendants of Faramir of Gondor & his wife Eowyn;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The descendants of Elfwine the Fair, King of Rohan;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Eldarion, King of Gondor, & his sisters (and their descendants);</li> </ul>There's many other possibilities as well.  Look in Appendix C for hobbit relatives/descendants/family trees for other family members of Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Merry, & Pippin.  And there's always the descendants of other characters in the tales, such as other Mirkwood elves, descendants of the other few surviving dwarves from The Hobbit, the descendants of Barliman Butterbur (the innkeep of Bree's Prancing Pony), could use/ride one of the descendants of Bill the Pony, etc.Going with the arbitrary 100 year mark, here's who'd be left:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">King Elessar/Aragorn, Arwen, & their children</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Eomer's son Elfwine the Fair & his family</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Any children & grandchildren of Faramir & Eowyn</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gimli</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Legolas</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Harding of the Hills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe some of Samwise Gamgee's children, his grandchildren, great-grandchildren, & possibly great-great grandchildren (and those of Merry & Pippin to boot)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Thorin Stonehelm & his descendants</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The children & grandchildren of Bard II of Erebor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Radagast the Brown</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Treebeard & the Ents (possibly the younger Quickbeam only)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Possible--Tom Bombadil & Goldberry</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unknown--Shadowfax (were the mearas horses long-lived/immortal?)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unknown--Pallando & Alator, the Blue Wizards</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unknown/Possible--Descendants of Beorn</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Possible--Descendants of Gwahir the Eagle</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Possible--Old Man Willow</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unknown/Possible--Shelob (wounded, but maybe not dead)</li> </ul>And, FYI, the notable items of note that could very well still be around:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Anduril (in the hands of Aragorn or his line)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Evenstar</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Ring of Barahir</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Crown of Gondor & Sceptre of the North</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sting (in Sam's family)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bilbo's/Frodo's mail shirt (I don't think it was destroyed--just obtained by orcs)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Red Book of Westmarch (with Elanor the Fair's family)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Glamdring</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Orcrist (Thorin Oakenshield's tomb)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Arkenstone (Thorin Oakenshield's tomb)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Black Arrow (with the Kings of Erebor/Laketown, or in the remains of Smaug)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Aiglos (Gil-Galad's spear; last known to be kept at Rivendell)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hadhafang (Elrond's sword [per movie, at least])</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Pippin's Barrow-Wight knife (with Pippin's family)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Eomer's sword Guthwine (either with heirs or in his tomb)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Theoden's sword Herugrim (either with heirs or in his tomb)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The White Tree</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The bows of Mirkwood (maybe even Legolas's Mirkwood Bow is in Lothlorien)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The elven cloaks of Lorien</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lembas bread</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe--A Lorien bow (of mallorn heartwood & with a strand of Galadriel's hair in the string)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe--Boromir's sword </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe--The cloven pieces of the Horn of Gondor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe--a few of the Palantirs (maybe powerless)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe--The sword & mace (or flail, going by the movie) of the Witch-King</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe--The Red Arrow</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Extreme maybe--The shards of the Staff of Saruman</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Extreme maybe--The Phial of Galadrial</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Extreme maybe--The now-powerless Nine Rings of the Nazgul</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Extreme maybe--The now-powerless Seven Rings of the Dwarf Lords</li> </ul>Whew.  That was a lengthy one!  Hope this info helps you out some.</blockquote>

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