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<blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 5917067" data-attributes="member: 14159"><p>What Earth handgun could take down a being with an AC of 52, flat footed AC of 35, with DR 15/Epic & Cold Iron and 825 HP (and Displacement for a 50% miss chance if it has a round to put that spell-like ability up as well)? Even a Desert Eagle .50AE is doing 2d8, so it has a 1:64 chance of doing a single point of damage. . .which heals up the next round thanks to Fast Healing 10. </p><p></p><p>Even a critical hit at maximum damage would only do 2 points of damage, well less than 1% of its HP and it would heal that in moments.</p><p></p><p>He would have to be getting hit with 640 attacks a round just to damage him enough that his fast healing wouldn't catch up, and with his AC that high he's basically only hit on a Natural 20 by anything short of a min-maxed 20th level character, so 1200+ people simultaneously opening fire with 2d8 weapons (like M16's or AK-47's.) just to start to whittle down at his HP, double that if it has even a single round of prep-time for Displacement and doesn't flee instantly.. . .and after 1 round (and a make-it-on-a-one) Concentration check he can Greater Teleport out, Heal up, Disguise/Alter Self, Teleport again, and go and Diplomacy some people in places of leadership of another nation into going to war with whatever country just tried that stunt (and maybe more subterfuge to infiltrate that army and undermine them. Being immune to all poisons and diseases could mean you would have no fear of using CBRN warfare yourself).</p><p></p><p>For that matter, what sniper could do 800+ points of damage in one hit, or even one round? The main cannon of an M1 Abrams tank is doing 10d12, which after DR would take 17 hits (assuming average damage) to drop it. It would take an entire army to drop it in a straight-up fight.</p><p></p><p>No AdC or PrC in d20 Modern that I can think of gives an assassin-like instant death ability for a sniper, the closest is the 5th level ability of the Sniper PrC, which lets him spend an Action Point to automatically turn a hit into a critical hit. The Barret .50cal is the highest damage sniper rifle, at 2d12. With an average damage of 13 it won't even break the DR on a typical hit without some extra abilities that make ranged weapon hits do more, and I can't find any of those yet. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, an ICBM would <em>probably </em>do it. Then again, you'd have to get the drop on it to do that, and when you can be anywhere on the planet in 6 seconds and ICBM's have travel times around 30 minutes or so. . .and if your target tends to stay in major cities would you nuke a major world city to stop it. . .especially since there is a very good chance it won't be there by the time the weapon goes off? Basically you'd have to be willing to nuke any specific place on the globe without reservation since he could hide there, then you'd have to know for sure he was there, and then be able to either keep him from fleeing or keep him completely unaware for around 30 minutes. . .and then hope that a nuclear weapon does more than 825 points of damage. </p><p> </p><p> Yeah, that's possible, but with a CHA of 47 and WIS of 23 I'd say it would be a while before he screwed up that bad. </p><p></p><p> Hence the idea of manipulating world leaders and the super-wealthy first. Getting the leaders of a few world powers, a few absolute dictators of countries, a few CEO's of the biggest companies on Earth, a few multi-billionaires on your side being Friendly can go a long way.</p><p></p><p>Put it this way: if the President of the United States, President of the Russian Federation, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Premier of China, President of France, the Pope, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet were all Fanatically loyal to you personally to the point they'd be willing to die for you. . .you'd basically rule the world, if only from the shadows.</p><p></p><p> I'm not saying he's invincible, but I think a lone CR 28 LeShay would be more able to conquer the world than a lot higher CR monsters because many of it's skill set and spell-like abilities could be extremely powerful in a modern-day setting. . .and it's epic-level AC, DR, and HP mean it would be very hard to stop before it could retreat and heal up to full in only 6 rounds of Heal spells. </p><p></p><p>Defeating it would be on the same scale of taking on Loki, yes, and would be a radically different challenge than fighting the vast fielded armies otherwise discussed in this thread, and would probably be a huge high-level campaign-climax type adventure. I am not pretending it's utterly invincible and it's a foolproof plan, but it's a threat greater than its CR would otherwise imply if played smartly and taking over the world is very plausible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wingsandsword, post: 5917067, member: 14159"] What Earth handgun could take down a being with an AC of 52, flat footed AC of 35, with DR 15/Epic & Cold Iron and 825 HP (and Displacement for a 50% miss chance if it has a round to put that spell-like ability up as well)? Even a Desert Eagle .50AE is doing 2d8, so it has a 1:64 chance of doing a single point of damage. . .which heals up the next round thanks to Fast Healing 10. Even a critical hit at maximum damage would only do 2 points of damage, well less than 1% of its HP and it would heal that in moments. He would have to be getting hit with 640 attacks a round just to damage him enough that his fast healing wouldn't catch up, and with his AC that high he's basically only hit on a Natural 20 by anything short of a min-maxed 20th level character, so 1200+ people simultaneously opening fire with 2d8 weapons (like M16's or AK-47's.) just to start to whittle down at his HP, double that if it has even a single round of prep-time for Displacement and doesn't flee instantly.. . .and after 1 round (and a make-it-on-a-one) Concentration check he can Greater Teleport out, Heal up, Disguise/Alter Self, Teleport again, and go and Diplomacy some people in places of leadership of another nation into going to war with whatever country just tried that stunt (and maybe more subterfuge to infiltrate that army and undermine them. Being immune to all poisons and diseases could mean you would have no fear of using CBRN warfare yourself). For that matter, what sniper could do 800+ points of damage in one hit, or even one round? The main cannon of an M1 Abrams tank is doing 10d12, which after DR would take 17 hits (assuming average damage) to drop it. It would take an entire army to drop it in a straight-up fight. No AdC or PrC in d20 Modern that I can think of gives an assassin-like instant death ability for a sniper, the closest is the 5th level ability of the Sniper PrC, which lets him spend an Action Point to automatically turn a hit into a critical hit. The Barret .50cal is the highest damage sniper rifle, at 2d12. With an average damage of 13 it won't even break the DR on a typical hit without some extra abilities that make ranged weapon hits do more, and I can't find any of those yet. Yeah, an ICBM would [I]probably [/I]do it. Then again, you'd have to get the drop on it to do that, and when you can be anywhere on the planet in 6 seconds and ICBM's have travel times around 30 minutes or so. . .and if your target tends to stay in major cities would you nuke a major world city to stop it. . .especially since there is a very good chance it won't be there by the time the weapon goes off? Basically you'd have to be willing to nuke any specific place on the globe without reservation since he could hide there, then you'd have to know for sure he was there, and then be able to either keep him from fleeing or keep him completely unaware for around 30 minutes. . .and then hope that a nuclear weapon does more than 825 points of damage. Yeah, that's possible, but with a CHA of 47 and WIS of 23 I'd say it would be a while before he screwed up that bad. Hence the idea of manipulating world leaders and the super-wealthy first. Getting the leaders of a few world powers, a few absolute dictators of countries, a few CEO's of the biggest companies on Earth, a few multi-billionaires on your side being Friendly can go a long way. Put it this way: if the President of the United States, President of the Russian Federation, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Premier of China, President of France, the Pope, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet were all Fanatically loyal to you personally to the point they'd be willing to die for you. . .you'd basically rule the world, if only from the shadows. I'm not saying he's invincible, but I think a lone CR 28 LeShay would be more able to conquer the world than a lot higher CR monsters because many of it's skill set and spell-like abilities could be extremely powerful in a modern-day setting. . .and it's epic-level AC, DR, and HP mean it would be very hard to stop before it could retreat and heal up to full in only 6 rounds of Heal spells. Defeating it would be on the same scale of taking on Loki, yes, and would be a radically different challenge than fighting the vast fielded armies otherwise discussed in this thread, and would probably be a huge high-level campaign-climax type adventure. I am not pretending it's utterly invincible and it's a foolproof plan, but it's a threat greater than its CR would otherwise imply if played smartly and taking over the world is very plausible. [/QUOTE]
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