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<blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 5923700" data-attributes="member: 14159"><p>That gives you one round to punch through 825 HP, DR 15/Epic & Cold Iron, Fast Healing 10, CON 37 and a Fortitude Save of +29 (and immunity to all Poisons and Diseases). As we've already discussed, the only way you're doing 825 HP in one round is with a high damage roll with a tactical nuclear weapon, a direct hit by a strategic nuclear weapon, or by concerted fire of a battalion-sized army unit (or other very large scale conventional assault). </p><p></p><p>It's kind of like Mungo from Blazing Saddles "If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad."</p><p></p><p>Also, the Polyglot feat that the LeShay has specifically has as it's description "The character can speak all languages. If the character is literate, he or she can also read and write all languages (not including magical script). ". By the RAW, he would understand languages he's never heard before, he's smart enough and a good enough linguist to decipher languages on the fly, understand and extrapolate, and make Epic leaps of intuition to communicate in languages he's never dealt with before that encounter.</p><p></p><p>Even if you accepted that he wouldn't know Earth languages, yeah, it's a mild speedbump. The idea behind the feat is that you're an Epic-level linguist (prereqs being able to speak 5 languages, an INT of 25+ and being at least 21 Levels or HD, so smarter and more experienced than any human on Earth) and can piece together languages kind of like a Universal Translator off of Star Trek. Give him a few hours or a couple of days at most and he'd be fluent in any language he was exposed to (especially if you remember he has Detect Thoughts as a spell-like ability, so he can hear people's thoughts in other languages, even rationalize that feat partially in his case as him copying linguistic information he telepathically extracts), In any case, turn him loose in a very cosmopolitan city like New York and he'd be fluent in most Earth languages inside of a week.</p><p></p><p>When I proposed the leShay idea, it wasn't for something that would blast through and use brute force or act quickly. The whole point is subtlety, thinking fairly long-term, and showing that to quote Obi-Wan Kenobi "You cannot win, but there are alternatives to fighting". In a straight up, conventional war, Earth would win against just about any fantasy force through superior firepower, professional tactics, and advanced technology. For a fantasy nation/army to win, they'd have to be far more subtle and take advantage of their magical advantages like magical disguises, magical healing, magical teleportation and superhuman/magical translations.</p><p></p><p>Given time to prepare, and given that LeShay are essentually Epic-Uber-Elves they can think in long term planning, they could come up with strategies as good as anything we could think of here, or better. Learn languages, learn the culture (with Knowledge: Local +59 I think he'd learn local cultures real fast), make allies, make plans, and by the time anybody knows what you're doing, you've got most of the world in your back pocket and they don't even realize it yet. </p><p></p><p>The use of Epic Bluff for a Suggestion is a good one, I hadn't noticed that, but that's another good one, essentially at-will Suggestion. Notice that he can project a false Alignment with a DC 70 check and he has a +71 to the skill, so no matter what his alignment is he could always appear to be Lawful Good to everybody. . .anybody who tries to intuit this stranger's motives or intentions would find that he is benevolent and wants peace and order.</p><p></p><p>That brings up the point, what agenda would a LeShay Emperor of Earth have? They are essentially Epic Elves that are the last survivors of a cataclysm/war that wiped their entire time/space spanning civilization from the reality so that they never existed (Elves from Gallifrey?) They are Fey, with some obvious fey affinities for nature (Knowledge: Nature +59 and Speak with Plants). As just brainstorming, I could see a LeShay that arrived on Earth deciding to conquer it for it's own good, that it finds the inhabitants too immature for their own good and too likely to hurt themselves or worse, the planet they are on. End wars, end abuse of the environment, end discrimination and bigotry. . .but at the cost of making mankind essentially indoctrinated and brainwashed into its agenda. A "benevolent dictator" with nigh-godlike powers.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and for the record, the Fanatic attitude produced by the Epic-level Diplomacy skill use is not permanent, if you'll notice, it reverts to "Friendly" after a number of days equal to the CHA bonus, in this case 17 days. That's still making people unquestioningly to-the-death loyal for 17 days (and still being friendly afterwards) by just talking to them for 12 seconds.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wingsandsword, post: 5923700, member: 14159"] That gives you one round to punch through 825 HP, DR 15/Epic & Cold Iron, Fast Healing 10, CON 37 and a Fortitude Save of +29 (and immunity to all Poisons and Diseases). As we've already discussed, the only way you're doing 825 HP in one round is with a high damage roll with a tactical nuclear weapon, a direct hit by a strategic nuclear weapon, or by concerted fire of a battalion-sized army unit (or other very large scale conventional assault). It's kind of like Mungo from Blazing Saddles "If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." Also, the Polyglot feat that the LeShay has specifically has as it's description "The character can speak all languages. If the character is literate, he or she can also read and write all languages (not including magical script). ". By the RAW, he would understand languages he's never heard before, he's smart enough and a good enough linguist to decipher languages on the fly, understand and extrapolate, and make Epic leaps of intuition to communicate in languages he's never dealt with before that encounter. Even if you accepted that he wouldn't know Earth languages, yeah, it's a mild speedbump. The idea behind the feat is that you're an Epic-level linguist (prereqs being able to speak 5 languages, an INT of 25+ and being at least 21 Levels or HD, so smarter and more experienced than any human on Earth) and can piece together languages kind of like a Universal Translator off of Star Trek. Give him a few hours or a couple of days at most and he'd be fluent in any language he was exposed to (especially if you remember he has Detect Thoughts as a spell-like ability, so he can hear people's thoughts in other languages, even rationalize that feat partially in his case as him copying linguistic information he telepathically extracts), In any case, turn him loose in a very cosmopolitan city like New York and he'd be fluent in most Earth languages inside of a week. When I proposed the leShay idea, it wasn't for something that would blast through and use brute force or act quickly. The whole point is subtlety, thinking fairly long-term, and showing that to quote Obi-Wan Kenobi "You cannot win, but there are alternatives to fighting". In a straight up, conventional war, Earth would win against just about any fantasy force through superior firepower, professional tactics, and advanced technology. For a fantasy nation/army to win, they'd have to be far more subtle and take advantage of their magical advantages like magical disguises, magical healing, magical teleportation and superhuman/magical translations. Given time to prepare, and given that LeShay are essentually Epic-Uber-Elves they can think in long term planning, they could come up with strategies as good as anything we could think of here, or better. Learn languages, learn the culture (with Knowledge: Local +59 I think he'd learn local cultures real fast), make allies, make plans, and by the time anybody knows what you're doing, you've got most of the world in your back pocket and they don't even realize it yet. The use of Epic Bluff for a Suggestion is a good one, I hadn't noticed that, but that's another good one, essentially at-will Suggestion. Notice that he can project a false Alignment with a DC 70 check and he has a +71 to the skill, so no matter what his alignment is he could always appear to be Lawful Good to everybody. . .anybody who tries to intuit this stranger's motives or intentions would find that he is benevolent and wants peace and order. That brings up the point, what agenda would a LeShay Emperor of Earth have? They are essentially Epic Elves that are the last survivors of a cataclysm/war that wiped their entire time/space spanning civilization from the reality so that they never existed (Elves from Gallifrey?) They are Fey, with some obvious fey affinities for nature (Knowledge: Nature +59 and Speak with Plants). As just brainstorming, I could see a LeShay that arrived on Earth deciding to conquer it for it's own good, that it finds the inhabitants too immature for their own good and too likely to hurt themselves or worse, the planet they are on. End wars, end abuse of the environment, end discrimination and bigotry. . .but at the cost of making mankind essentially indoctrinated and brainwashed into its agenda. A "benevolent dictator" with nigh-godlike powers. Oh, and for the record, the Fanatic attitude produced by the Epic-level Diplomacy skill use is not permanent, if you'll notice, it reverts to "Friendly" after a number of days equal to the CHA bonus, in this case 17 days. That's still making people unquestioningly to-the-death loyal for 17 days (and still being friendly afterwards) by just talking to them for 12 seconds. [/QUOTE]
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