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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9074101" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>I'd suggest several things:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Firstly almost no fictional spellcasters can do out of combat with spells are close to 20th level D&D wizards. We are operating at the <em>extreme</em> end of the fictional power spectrum here.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Secondly start with Hercules lifting the entire world on his shoulders. Then move through Cuchulain and Celtic myth, then through Outlaws of the Water Margin, and Chinese myth.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Thirdly for more modern material, start with Goku. Then Superman, Then The Flash. Then the Justice League versions of Batman. Do you want me to continue? Because the empowered martials should be up there in Goku's league by level 20.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fourthly even if we ignore that that's no reason why other than in terms of durability D&D martials should be restricted to what real world martials can do.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fifthly if you want to be explicit here then just level cap the martials. "Without magic you can't go above level 8".</li> </ul><p></p><p>That's because the fiction doesn't support wizards who are explicitly inspired by demigods adventuring alongside martials who are implicitly not allowed to be demigods. Either level cap both or change the fiction to match the contemporary fiction where it <em>does</em> work.</p><p></p><p>The truth is that the problem is people insist martials must be realistic and <em>that</em> is the problem. Use the tiers. Once you've left tier 2 you've left realism behind - and in tier 4 <em>everyone</em> should be a demigod.</p><p></p><p>Here we agree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 9074101, member: 87792"] I'd suggest several things: [LIST] [*]Firstly almost no fictional spellcasters can do out of combat with spells are close to 20th level D&D wizards. We are operating at the [I]extreme[/I] end of the fictional power spectrum here. [*]Secondly start with Hercules lifting the entire world on his shoulders. Then move through Cuchulain and Celtic myth, then through Outlaws of the Water Margin, and Chinese myth. [*]Thirdly for more modern material, start with Goku. Then Superman, Then The Flash. Then the Justice League versions of Batman. Do you want me to continue? Because the empowered martials should be up there in Goku's league by level 20. [*]Fourthly even if we ignore that that's no reason why other than in terms of durability D&D martials should be restricted to what real world martials can do. [*]Fifthly if you want to be explicit here then just level cap the martials. "Without magic you can't go above level 8". [/LIST] That's because the fiction doesn't support wizards who are explicitly inspired by demigods adventuring alongside martials who are implicitly not allowed to be demigods. Either level cap both or change the fiction to match the contemporary fiction where it [I]does[/I] work. The truth is that the problem is people insist martials must be realistic and [I]that[/I] is the problem. Use the tiers. Once you've left tier 2 you've left realism behind - and in tier 4 [I]everyone[/I] should be a demigod. Here we agree. [/QUOTE]
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