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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 4816004" data-attributes="member: 326">Howdy wingandsword! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Indeed. But just as gods are beyond mortals, but the weakest of gods are not wholly beyond the most powerful of mortals then so must the weakest of Overgods be threatened by the most powerful gods.   Correct, you don't just become a god just by gaining more levels. But mechanically thats the easiest way to move forward, so gaining levels will be a part of the process. Though other aspects, such as gaining worshippers, can be as integrated as DMs wish.  Irrelevant. Just because they haven't been direct opponent in the past doesn't preclude them from being direct opponents in the future.  That could be AO based propaganda to scare away gods from ever trying to beat him. I'm thinking he'll be in his mid-fifties, thats in 4E Levels, not his apparent age. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Off the cuff I'd guesstimate shes akin to a Level 50 Solo Controller.  If their power is constrained to one world (?) then I'd suggest in the region of Level 42-46 ish Solo opponents.Well actually it is relevant, because it expands upon the official cosmology, which is something you need to do for 30+ campaigns. For the record it was published as an introduction to my epic bestiary and was pretty well received (if I do say so myself). It draws upon occult, mythical, fantasy and scientific sources as well as all tying neatly into the D&D cosmology. Yes. He destroyed the Universe, was able to kill any god in an instant, devoured a demon prince in seconds, then raised another minor demon to be a demon prince in seconds. Could only be affected by one weapon in the Universe.  Heres the flaw in your thinking: this is 4th Edition...not 3rd, not 2nd, not 1st, not OD&D. That means we have the opportunity to taper power to a point, rather than continue infinitely, which is ultimately pointless....and that could be a problem if we were playing 3E, or if indeed our progression didn't encapsulate immortality/divinity.  So who wins in a fight between AO and the Lady of Pain? Can the Dark Powers of Ravenloft defeat the Serpent? Does Galactus defeat Azathoth? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Yes, but the intention with 30+ (4E) games is to explore the level of reality so removed and transcendental...etc.I still think you are not seeing the big picture here, by the time PCs would be taking on the likes of AO, they would be practically Overgods themselves. So we wouldn't necessarily have to give each overgod a Death Star style exhaust port weak spot.Too big and scary for most PCs sure, but I envision there are always those who wish to boldly go where no one has gone before. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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