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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 5848484" data-attributes="member: 32164">Well, it's pretty easy to get to about +10 in 4e without getting into ridiculous stacking. For example:Skill Bonus = Primary Stat (+4) + Trained (+5) + Feat Bonus (+2) = +11.Atk Bonus = Stat (+4) + Proficient (+3) + Class Bonus (+1) + Feat Bonus (+1) = +9.My personal preference would be to cap the 1st-level max at 10, and have more realistic &quot;gifted&quot; results come in at +7 or so. If you want to specialize, and devote all your resources to something, I don't see the problem with you getting a +10 bonus.However, I don't think there should be numerical bonuses from things like background, race, stats, and training that all stack indefinitely. Some kind of diminishing returns from specialization should set in. If you're an elf ranger with high wisdom, who's trained in perception, and have the alertness feat, should it really matter if you have birdwatching as a background theme?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 5848484, member: 32164"] Well, it's pretty easy to get to about +10 in 4e without getting into ridiculous stacking. For example: Skill Bonus = Primary Stat (+4) + Trained (+5) + Feat Bonus (+2) = +11. Atk Bonus = Stat (+4) + Proficient (+3) + Class Bonus (+1) + Feat Bonus (+1) = +9. My personal preference would be to cap the 1st-level max at 10, and have more realistic "gifted" results come in at +7 or so. If you want to specialize, and devote all your resources to something, I don't see the problem with you getting a +10 bonus. However, I don't think there should be numerical bonuses from things like background, race, stats, and training that all stack indefinitely. Some kind of diminishing returns from specialization should set in. If you're an elf ranger with high wisdom, who's trained in perception, and have the alertness feat, should it really matter if you have birdwatching as a background theme? [/QUOTE]

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