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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5283447" data-attributes="member: 463">Thanks Francis (one of my 4e Vault of Larin Karr players).&nbsp; Re #1, the MM3 monsters do seem much better designed (and MM2 are much better than MM1).&nbsp; I agree that MM3 level 11 hill giant worked very well, I thought, on your 4th-5th level PCs.One problem is that so many classic monstes are only in MM1.&nbsp; Another is that getting 4e encounter design right takes effort, and if you just let things fall as they may it's easy to get it wrong.&nbsp; Eg the penultimate session's assault on the Forge of Fury's Mountain door went very well IMO, the Orc Raider stats worked well, but last session's battle with the Orc Raiders took longer than I'd have wished, because there were so many of them at once.&nbsp; But if things had gone differently you might have encountered more of them in smaller, level-appropriate groups.&nbsp;&nbsp; Short of Orc Raider skirmisher-3s spontaneously morphing into Orc Warrior minion-9s whenever too many get together, like the Inverse Ninja rule applied to Orcs, I don't see a solution.&nbsp; And for me Inverse Ninja-ing them would hurt my Suspension of Disbelief.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5283447, member: 463"] Thanks Francis (one of my 4e Vault of Larin Karr players). Re #1, the MM3 monsters do seem much better designed (and MM2 are much better than MM1). I agree that MM3 level 11 hill giant worked very well, I thought, on your 4th-5th level PCs. One problem is that so many classic monstes are only in MM1. Another is that getting 4e encounter design right takes effort, and if you just let things fall as they may it's easy to get it wrong. Eg the penultimate session's assault on the Forge of Fury's Mountain door went very well IMO, the Orc Raider stats worked well, but last session's battle with the Orc Raiders took longer than I'd have wished, because there were so many of them at once. But if things had gone differently you might have encountered more of them in smaller, level-appropriate groups. Short of Orc Raider skirmisher-3s spontaneously morphing into Orc Warrior minion-9s whenever too many get together, like the Inverse Ninja rule applied to Orcs, I don't see a solution. And for me Inverse Ninja-ing them would hurt my Suspension of Disbelief. [/QUOTE]

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