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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mythusmage" data-source="post: 1677701" data-attributes="member: 571">Nota Bene: Was responding to  WmRAllen67's post above. But a couple of folks just had to respond before I could (dang it). But anyway...Muchly agree. In a fantasy version of the 11th and 12th century CE world magic would be a long known quantity. Even 9th level spells would be around.I can see the Church with wizardly orders. The Cistercians for example. While the Franciscans might be a druidical order.That's the thing to note about the pre-Black Death Church. It was remarkably tolerant, exhibiting a liberality that would surprise many today. The Roman Catholic Church's problem with people like the Cathars and Albigensians lay more in their refusal to accept the authority of the Church than anything else.At the same time certain schools would be anathema. Necromancy for example, since it interferes with God's will and disturbs one's eternal rest. Charm Person on the other hand could be a huge bone of contention if used in the course of proselytization. Is it a valid conversion if done under magical compulsion?For extra fun add in non-human races. Can orcs be saved? Do elves have souls? Do God's prohibitions on Caine extend to his descendents? Are they, instead, free to become good Christians if given the opportunity?How would it shape the Church if at some time an elf became Pope? What if a Pope, deliberately or accidentally, became a lich?With Raise Dead etc. available, what about inheritence? How would Teleport et al. impact trade and transportation? How would Commune affect 12th century attitudes towards personal hygiene and public sanitation? Would Purify Food and Water eliminate epidemics? Combined with Cure Disease?For that matter, what with all that communication, research, and transportation magic lying about, when would Western Europe discover the New World? Would Richard Cour de Leon even go on crusade, or be off hunting the Grail in North America?This has possibilities.593 BC: Solon of Athens makes the first known visit to the New World.39 AD: Gaulish merchants establish trading posts in the east coast of what we call the United States. By 56 AD the Roman government has established an official presence in in Nova Italia.496 AD: Artius of Brittannica reestablishes contact with the New World for the first time since the fall of Rome.1072: A mixed bag of dispossed Saxon nobles, plus Norman younger sons sets sail to bring Christianity and civilization to the New World.1099: Mohican knights and Seneca friars are among the crusaders who take service with the Kingdom of Jerusalem.Correct as needed and expend as desired.</blockquote>

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