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Message: <blockquote data-quote="boredgremlin" data-source="post: 2222964" data-attributes="member: 31646">Interesting post. Nice historical facts and i like the sites. Heres my argument. Look at France now, western nation, solid economy, law and order prevailes, democratic, member of NATO a country that the world listens to.    Haiti. 3rd world craphole. 200 years and they still havent gotten it together. Desease is rampant, crimelords rule the streets, most of the world has never heard of them and their governments have been so corrupt that in recent decades marines have had to go in twice to quell the rioting, chaos and mass murders. And the UN once. Thats 3 international interventions to prevent complete anarchy in 20 years, just off the top of my head. How many has France had? Ever?   So in retrospect. Yes they were far better off with french rulers. As many mistakes as france makes its leaders are still better then the leaders that haiti has had.   But it works as a great example of what happens when slaves get a country. I guess uneducated, short sighted, rebel rousers dont make good politicians or peacetime leaders. If spartacus has succeeded he probably wouldnt have done any better. Organizing ordered retreats and hit and runs on civilians and totally outnumbered militia does not prepare you to run an economy, international diplomacy or civilian justice beyond battlefield justice. Which is very different. Just compare the US military UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) to the rules for civilian courts and you can see that even in the modern day there is world of difference between civilain justice and battlefield (military) justice.    Lol though back to the topic at hand..... I would base an evil slave empire on all the history and terrible rumours of ancient Sparta or fuedal Japan. You get a solid historical base and with the rumours plenty of super evil things to clear up any grey area for PC's killing slavers and even slave owners. Or for more modern things look at the most PC rumor mongering hippie site for colonial slavery in the America's you can find. And go with that. Dont overlook the cruelty of the spaniards to american indians in the south, south america, central america and the southwest US either. For a setting where a foreign people conquer and enslave the indigenous people the spaniards might be the best example in history for an evil empire.</blockquote>

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