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<blockquote data-quote="nedjer" data-source="post: 5244353" data-attributes="member: 83796"><p>The "ritual hidden in plain sight" does seems very central to all these myths and initiation rituals. This stuff interests me through studying the behaviours, but there's a long tradition of thinking of it in terms of 'faith' and ensuring 'knowledge' remains hidden.</p><p></p><p>Hamlet's Mill rambles at great length (never seen it summed up so concisely). Much of the material is hard to piece together but it's supported by Egypt in particular. Egyptologists (rather than Pyramidologists) accept that the Pharaonic stellar royal cult recognised a (limited) set of constellations and other features as representing the actions and locations of familiar dieties from the pharaohs' pantheon.</p><p></p><p>It's heavy going but these Pyramid Texts, among others, mention dieties as anthropomorphised constellations moving around a stellar landscape with their anthropomorphised actions encoded in ritual texts:</p><p></p><p> [FONT=&quot]Utterance 437: 793a-806b[/FONT]</p><p> [FONT=&quot]"Awake for Horus! Arise against Seth! Raise yourself as Osiris, as a spirit, the son of Geb, his first-born! You arise as Anubis who is on the baldachin, the Ennead tremble at you, the three day festival is celebrated for you, you are pure for the New Moon, your appearing is for the monthly festival, <u>the Great Mooring Post</u> calls to you as to Him who stands up and cannot tire, who dwells in Abydos.[/FONT]</p><p> [FONT=&quot] O earth, hear this which the gods have said! Re speaks, he makes a spirit of this King, who receives his spirit-form in front of the gods as Horus, son of Osiris; he gives him his spirit which is among the Watchers of Pe, he ennobles him as a god who is among the Watchers of Nekhen.[/FONT]</p><p> [FONT=&quot] The earth speaks: The doors of the earth-god are opened for you , <u>the doors of Geb are thrown open for you</u>, you come forth at the voice of Anubis, he makes a spirit of you like Thoth, you judge the gods, you <u>set bounds to the celestial expanses between the Two Wands</u> in this your spiritualised state which Anubis commanded. If you walk, Horus will walk; if you speak Seth will speak; <u>betake yourself to the waterway, fare upstream to the Thinite nome, and traverse Abydos</u>. <u>The celestial portal to the horizon is open to you, and the gods are joyful at meeting you</u>; they take you to the sky with your soul, you having been endowed with a soul through them. You will <u>ascend to the sky as Horus upon the <em>sdsd</em> of the sky in this dignity of yours</u> which issued from the mouth of Re as <u>Horus who is at the head of the spirits, you being seated upon your iron throne</u>. May you remove yourself to the sky, for the roads of the celestial expanses which lead up to Horus are cleared for you. Seth is brotherly toward you as the Great One of On, for <u>you have traversed the Winding Waterway in the north of the sky as a star crossing the sea which is beneath the sky</u>. <u>The Netherworld has grasped your hand at the place where Orion is</u>, <u>the Bull of the Sky</u> has given you his hand, and you eat of the food of the gods whereof they eat, the savour of Ddwn is on you, (even) of the youth of Upper Egypt who came out of Nubia; he gives you the incense wherewith the gods are censed. The two daughters of the King of Lower Egypt, his first-born, the two Great ladies, bore you, <u>Re has summoned you from the zenith(?) of the sky</u> as Horus who presides over his thigh offerings, <em>Stwty</em> Lord of <em>Sbwt</em>, as the Jackal, the Governor of the Bows,5 as Anubis who presides over <u>the Pure Land</u>. <u>He sets you as the Morning Star </u>in the middle of <u>the Field of Rushes, you being seated on your throne. Your amputated parts are raised up by the Double Crown, Lord of the Bows</u>, your abundance is in t<u>he Field of the Gods</u>, whereon they feed. You have your spiritualisation, you have your messengers, you have your intelligence, you have your earth-attackers(?)."[/FONT]</p><p> </p><p>All the underlined parts may refer to sky phenomena. However, the winding waterway has been linked to the Milky Way as it appeared, the Field of Rushes the northern area of the sky near the circumpolar stars and Orion is familiar. The role/ locations of the rest are hotly debated to varying degrees but the principle of encoding astronomical data alongside mythological figures and their actions is accepted.</p><p></p><p>And, yes, it is slightly odd to have a copy of the PTexts on my PC.</p><p></p><p>As a mildly amusing aside, on cultural transmission, check this out:</p><p></p><p>Volume 3 of the [FONT=&quot]Ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts[/FONT] Spell 1099</p><p></p><p>" [FONT=&quot]I will not be turned back by him who acts with his hands, I will not walk in the Valley of Darkness, I will not enter into the Lake of Criminals, I will not be in the heat of (a god’s) striking power,"</p><p></p><p>Psalm 23</p><p></p><p><span style="color: White">"</span>[/FONT]<span style="color: White">though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death"</span></p><p></p><p>Coolio Gangster's Paradise</p><p></p><p>"As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death </p><p>I take a look at my life </p><p>And realize there's nothing left. </p><p>'Cause I've been blasting and laughing so long </p><p>That even my momma thinks that my mind has gone."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nedjer, post: 5244353, member: 83796"] The "ritual hidden in plain sight" does seems very central to all these myths and initiation rituals. This stuff interests me through studying the behaviours, but there's a long tradition of thinking of it in terms of 'faith' and ensuring 'knowledge' remains hidden. Hamlet's Mill rambles at great length (never seen it summed up so concisely). Much of the material is hard to piece together but it's supported by Egypt in particular. Egyptologists (rather than Pyramidologists) accept that the Pharaonic stellar royal cult recognised a (limited) set of constellations and other features as representing the actions and locations of familiar dieties from the pharaohs' pantheon. It's heavy going but these Pyramid Texts, among others, mention dieties as anthropomorphised constellations moving around a stellar landscape with their anthropomorphised actions encoded in ritual texts: [FONT="]Utterance 437: 793a-806b[/FONT] [FONT="]"Awake for Horus! Arise against Seth! Raise yourself as Osiris, as a spirit, the son of Geb, his first-born! You arise as Anubis who is on the baldachin, the Ennead tremble at you, the three day festival is celebrated for you, you are pure for the New Moon, your appearing is for the monthly festival, [U]the Great Mooring Post[/U] calls to you as to Him who stands up and cannot tire, who dwells in Abydos.[/FONT] [FONT="] O earth, hear this which the gods have said! Re speaks, he makes a spirit of this King, who receives his spirit-form in front of the gods as Horus, son of Osiris; he gives him his spirit which is among the Watchers of Pe, he ennobles him as a god who is among the Watchers of Nekhen.[/FONT] [FONT="] The earth speaks: The doors of the earth-god are opened for you , [U]the doors of Geb are thrown open for you[/U], you come forth at the voice of Anubis, he makes a spirit of you like Thoth, you judge the gods, you [U]set bounds to the celestial expanses between the Two Wands[/U] in this your spiritualised state which Anubis commanded. If you walk, Horus will walk; if you speak Seth will speak; [U]betake yourself to the waterway, fare upstream to the Thinite nome, and traverse Abydos[/U]. [U]The celestial portal to the horizon is open to you, and the gods are joyful at meeting you[/U]; they take you to the sky with your soul, you having been endowed with a soul through them. You will [U]ascend to the sky as Horus upon the [I]sdsd[/I] of the sky in this dignity of yours[/U] which issued from the mouth of Re as [U]Horus who is at the head of the spirits, you being seated upon your iron throne[/U]. May you remove yourself to the sky, for the roads of the celestial expanses which lead up to Horus are cleared for you. Seth is brotherly toward you as the Great One of On, for [U]you have traversed the Winding Waterway in the north of the sky as a star crossing the sea which is beneath the sky[/U]. [U]The Netherworld has grasped your hand at the place where Orion is[/U], [U]the Bull of the Sky[/U] has given you his hand, and you eat of the food of the gods whereof they eat, the savour of Ddwn is on you, (even) of the youth of Upper Egypt who came out of Nubia; he gives you the incense wherewith the gods are censed. The two daughters of the King of Lower Egypt, his first-born, the two Great ladies, bore you, [U]Re has summoned you from the zenith(?) of the sky[/U] as Horus who presides over his thigh offerings, [I]Stwty[/I] Lord of [I]Sbwt[/I], as the Jackal, the Governor of the Bows,5 as Anubis who presides over [U]the Pure Land[/U]. [U]He sets you as the Morning Star [/U]in the middle of [U]the Field of Rushes, you being seated on your throne. Your amputated parts are raised up by the Double Crown, Lord of the Bows[/U], your abundance is in t[U]he Field of the Gods[/U], whereon they feed. You have your spiritualisation, you have your messengers, you have your intelligence, you have your earth-attackers(?)."[/FONT] All the underlined parts may refer to sky phenomena. However, the winding waterway has been linked to the Milky Way as it appeared, the Field of Rushes the northern area of the sky near the circumpolar stars and Orion is familiar. The role/ locations of the rest are hotly debated to varying degrees but the principle of encoding astronomical data alongside mythological figures and their actions is accepted. And, yes, it is slightly odd to have a copy of the PTexts on my PC. As a mildly amusing aside, on cultural transmission, check this out: Volume 3 of the [FONT="]Ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts[/FONT] Spell 1099 " [FONT="]I will not be turned back by him who acts with his hands, I will not walk in the Valley of Darkness, I will not enter into the Lake of Criminals, I will not be in the heat of (a god’s) striking power," Psalm 23 [COLOR=White]"[/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=White]though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death"[/COLOR] Coolio Gangster's Paradise "As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I take a look at my life And realize there's nothing left. 'Cause I've been blasting and laughing so long That even my momma thinks that my mind has gone." [/QUOTE]
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