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<blockquote data-quote="Galloglaich" data-source="post: 5009892" data-attributes="member: 77019"><p>I'm going to split my reply into two posts, since there is so much ground to cover here!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> And ... lets be candid. Everyone has a little bit of a bias. I'm probably a little biased in favor of the Barbarians, but I'm fascinated by all of them, and we clearly have knowledge here that kind of overlaps. I can already tell you know a great deal more about the Byzantines than I do... I've read the Alexiad and a book about the 4th Crusade and a handful of Wikipedia entries about the Varangian guard, beyond that I'm pretty stone ignorant. I think we can learn a lot from each other here which is far more productive than arguing, and I suspect we agree on the facts more than we disagree...</p><p></p><p>Thanks, I kind of borrowed this idea from blogs, it's actually part of an agenda to avoid arguing in favor of learning more <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Yes the Roman Church seems to have changed things, one could argue, for the worse but I am going to kind of skirt that topic. I agree with everything you said about the Irish monks who certainly appreciated and preserved a wealth of vital knowledge for future generations. I also wanted to point out, regarding your idea of a Rule for married monks, I think St. Brigid tried to arrange something like that between a Monastary and a Convent... dont' remember the details though or if it succeeded.</p><p></p><p>I loved reading some of the margin notes of the Irish monks transcribing Herodotus and commenting on what a beautiful day it was an how nice the birds were and how happy he was to be alive. Can't help sympathise with them. Just for fun here are a couple of Irish monks ruins from the Middle Ages and the 'Dark Ages'. (I think ancient ruins are awesome inspiration for game settings so I like to sprinkle them around my posts here)</p><p></p><p><img src="http://ireland.wlu.edu/ire00201.rev.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://ireland.wlu.edu/ire00359.rev.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.sylviamajewska.com/images/Devenish_Tower_Ireland2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p><img src="http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/20/2098/X5R2D00Z/tony-wheeler-high-cross-and-round-tower-of-monasterboice-monasterboice-county-louth-ireland.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p><img src="http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/07/30/073081_6c00b612.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>Love the Irish round towers <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_round_tower" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_round_tower</a></p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/rock-of-cashel-round-tower-irlrc3.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.intangibility.com/Photography/Travel/Ireland99/Day14/266_christian.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>I believe this one dates from circa 700 AD. It's holding up pretty good considering no mortar was used to make it.</p><p></p><p>Well they were sort of suppressed and reorganized at those various synods around the end of the Viking Age, right? After that the 'Gaelic' Church was basically Roman Catholic.</p><p></p><p>I'd like to learn more about the Byzantine orders, that sounds fascinating, I've always been impressed with their Monasteries too, they look quite formidable:</p><p></p><p><img src="http://galen-frysinger.com/turkey/sumela01.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.magic.gr/image/Image/Delphi%20and%20surroundings/Ossios%20Loucas.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p><img src="http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/newsletter/images2009/2009-10_Skrzypiec_sumela-monastery_Turkey.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Sumela has to be the most fascinating, talk about an evocative location! I wish I could go there one day, maybe I will eventually, been wanting to go to Turkey for about 20 years....</p><p></p><p><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/Chapels.jpg/250px-Chapels.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCmela_Monastery" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sümela_Monastery</a></p><p></p><p>G.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Galloglaich, post: 5009892, member: 77019"] I'm going to split my reply into two posts, since there is so much ground to cover here! Agreed :) And ... lets be candid. Everyone has a little bit of a bias. I'm probably a little biased in favor of the Barbarians, but I'm fascinated by all of them, and we clearly have knowledge here that kind of overlaps. I can already tell you know a great deal more about the Byzantines than I do... I've read the Alexiad and a book about the 4th Crusade and a handful of Wikipedia entries about the Varangian guard, beyond that I'm pretty stone ignorant. I think we can learn a lot from each other here which is far more productive than arguing, and I suspect we agree on the facts more than we disagree... Thanks, I kind of borrowed this idea from blogs, it's actually part of an agenda to avoid arguing in favor of learning more :) Yes the Roman Church seems to have changed things, one could argue, for the worse but I am going to kind of skirt that topic. I agree with everything you said about the Irish monks who certainly appreciated and preserved a wealth of vital knowledge for future generations. I also wanted to point out, regarding your idea of a Rule for married monks, I think St. Brigid tried to arrange something like that between a Monastary and a Convent... dont' remember the details though or if it succeeded. I loved reading some of the margin notes of the Irish monks transcribing Herodotus and commenting on what a beautiful day it was an how nice the birds were and how happy he was to be alive. Can't help sympathise with them. Just for fun here are a couple of Irish monks ruins from the Middle Ages and the 'Dark Ages'. (I think ancient ruins are awesome inspiration for game settings so I like to sprinkle them around my posts here) [IMG]http://ireland.wlu.edu/ire00201.rev.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://ireland.wlu.edu/ire00359.rev.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.sylviamajewska.com/images/Devenish_Tower_Ireland2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/20/2098/X5R2D00Z/tony-wheeler-high-cross-and-round-tower-of-monasterboice-monasterboice-county-louth-ireland.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/07/30/073081_6c00b612.jpg[/IMG] Love the Irish round towers :) [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_round_tower[/url] [IMG]http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/rock-of-cashel-round-tower-irlrc3.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.intangibility.com/Photography/Travel/Ireland99/Day14/266_christian.jpg[/IMG] I believe this one dates from circa 700 AD. It's holding up pretty good considering no mortar was used to make it. Well they were sort of suppressed and reorganized at those various synods around the end of the Viking Age, right? After that the 'Gaelic' Church was basically Roman Catholic. I'd like to learn more about the Byzantine orders, that sounds fascinating, I've always been impressed with their Monasteries too, they look quite formidable: [IMG]http://galen-frysinger.com/turkey/sumela01.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.magic.gr/image/Image/Delphi%20and%20surroundings/Ossios%20Loucas.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/newsletter/images2009/2009-10_Skrzypiec_sumela-monastery_Turkey.jpg[/IMG] Sumela has to be the most fascinating, talk about an evocative location! I wish I could go there one day, maybe I will eventually, been wanting to go to Turkey for about 20 years.... [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/Chapels.jpg/250px-Chapels.jpg[/IMG] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCmela_Monastery[/URL] G. [/QUOTE]
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