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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Set" data-source="post: 4023114" data-attributes="member: 41584">Back when 3E was being showcased in two page mini-articles in the Dragon, I remember a lot of enthusiasm, actually.  The Dragon articles had our group chomping at the bit to see the new Fighter, for example, a class we traditionally shunned.  Perhaps, eight years ago, there were a lot of people screaming that the sky was falling, but I didn't know any of them, and the message boards I frequented didn't seem to have many of them.  Some people said that they preferred 2E or didn't want to buy new books, and quite a few fans of Greyhawk were concerned that the setting was being put out to pasture, but there seemed to be a lot less name-calling.The 3.5 announcement was less well-received by my group, because of some really lousy descriptions from the designers (the dude who was supposed to 'sell' the Damage Reduction change, for instance, insisted that it was to eliminate 'golf bag syndrome' where a fighter would have to carry around a bunch of different swords, *which didn't exist* under the +X or better system of 3.0, and became a real issue when DR changed to cold iron, silver, epic, good, lawful, peanut butter, left-handed podiatrists).  But seeing the changes to the Ranger and Monk in particular (opening those classes up to be less one-trick) and the Animal Companion system replacing the old Animal Friendship 'travelling zoo' notion, we liked the 3.5 updates.  (We just didn't use the DR changes.)The 4.0 announcements, automatically handicapped by the bone-headed decision to cancel Dragon a few months ahead of time and shutting themselves out of the perfect advertising platform, have been uneven, and if not for sites like this one, helpfully compiling the random dregs of information trickling out of WotC, much of which is 'reverse-engineered' to try and figure stuff out, just leaves people arguing over what they are doing.  Whether concerned or enthusiastic, we are all just sniffing fumes here, with no real knowledge of what's cooking.Some like the smell, some wrinkle their noses, but not a soul among us has a freaking clue if it's gonna be edible....I guess one could find the persecution complex coming from the people doing the name-calling 'funny,' if it wasn't so darned annoying.  The game is coming out.  End of story.  Calling people 'haters' or 'grognards' or 'fanatics' because they don't like this or that announced or suggested feature only makes the supporters look obnoxious.  It sure isn't likely to convince anyone to buy 4E who has a qualm, so apparently the only purpose in it is to be obnoxious for obnoxiousness sake, since it isn't a 'winnable' argument.  It's already been 'won.'  4E is inevitable.A couple of people in my gaming group ended up buying multiple copies of the 3.0 PHB, because of the revisions that would occur between printings, so if (when?) we eventually get around to upgrading, it will be a year or two down the road, and after our current 3.5 and M&M campaigns end.  No reason to buy the same book multiple times, again.  It's a rule (not just of D&D, but pretty much everything); Early adopters get burned.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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